I've heard Robert Bruce discussing the creation of weapons with your thoughts in the astral. Can you create a being of some sort? Could you create some sort creature with thoughts and actions of its own? If possible do you think it's wrong?
I've heard Robert Bruce discussing the creation of weapons with your thoughts in the astral. Can you create a being of some sort? Could you create some sort creature with thoughts and actions of its own? If possible do you think it's wrong?
I don't really think creation of a being with its own intelligence is within the limits of ones energy level. A group of people could, I think. However you can create a being without intelligence, who only follows your command.
I don't think it is wrong, because after all. we create our own reality.
I see.... I was hoping to create some sort of berserker bodyguard type being. Hmmm... I guess I'm just a loser.Thanks for the reply!
I believe you could create yourself an astral bodyguard. I wouldn't expect to be capable of giving it true intelligence or sentience, but I believe you could program it with a simple purpose of driving away any negativity around you.
For it to be effective, I think you'd have to put a lot of time, effort, and energy into creating, programming, and especially maintaining it.
I see.... Does the complexity of what's created determine the time/energy/effort required to produce it? Have any of you done something like this? Any estimates on the time required to create this being?
I'm not an expert on this subject, but I'd certainly imagine the answer is yes.Originally Posted by Nikolai
My intuition and logic tell me that it would be most effective to stick with one purpose/task per thought form and to create multiple thought-forms as needed, rather than trying to create a single thoughtform with multiple tasks.
Keep in mind that when you need to heal, you can raise healing energy. When you need to defend yourself, you can raise the proper energy for that. I'm not sure if it's possible to give a thought-form the ability to do that. So it's best if you give your thought-form one task, with the appropriate energy for doing that task.
Always I do. It's sensed as weapon because it hurts your-self. It hurts so much that it's no of importance - could it hurt others. Most of importance is to stop hurting it your-self.
I don't claim to be an expert or anything; far from it, but I've read a few books discussing the creation of thought forms for specific purposes, including K. Amber's Basics of Magick and Dion Fortune's various works (Very amazing woman, one of the few people I truely look up to) and it's commonplace to create thoughtforms to protect yourself or your loved ones, and also quite natural to give your other thoughtforms methods of defending themselves.I've heard Robert Bruce discussing the creation of weapons with your thoughts in the astral. Can you create a being of some sort? Could you create some sort creature with thoughts and actions of its own? If possible do you think it's wrong?
A word of warning however about artificial elementals vs. constructs. Artificial elementals are thoughtforms given power and life through the use of your energy while constructs use energy obtained from around them (nature). both of these can go horribly wrong however, if neglected; most practicioners have a shiver story about a ward or construct gone rotten and turned destructive toward its intended protectee. Artificial elementals can turn nasty as well, obtaining a conciousness of their own and drawing large amounts of energy from their master, until the creator keels over dead as from an energy vampire. i'm sure more than one Neg has been born this way.
i'm not saying that this will without fail happen to you; I'm just saying play it safe and read up on the subject and ask experienced peole about the process. (Don't look at me, haha, there's plenty of people on this forum who make me look like a mewling baby... no kidding)
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Franz Bardon instructs how to form elementaries and elementals in step 7 of Initiation into Hermetics . Here is a link ;
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/ ... 723.0.html
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As to the first question, yes. This is often called an Egregore
As to the second question, well that's really debatable. Most personally created egregore's need to be programed to be destroyed after thirty days, but psychic programs which still fall into this category (apologies, I haven't gotten to that yet in that wiki article,) aren't sentient in the way we think of them. The kinds of beings you describe are oft created on accident by children. (AKA "Imaginary Friends.")
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