Lucid, OBE and astral - it's realy one thing! Do not kill me

**CFTraveler** · 9th September 2006, 03:59 PM

Ryan Paris wrote:

Out-of-body experience: A conscious seperation of the spirit from the physical body, just as conscious as waking reality, no dream qualities about it.

Actually, that is an old fashioned definition of what OBE is. The most modern definition (and the one favored by most of the projectors that frequent these sites is: "A separation (not always conscious) of the conscious mind from the physical body". There is no real separation of the spirit per se, just a transfer of consciousness from the physical body to it's energetic counterpart. That is why most OBE experiencers report split body awareness.
(Mind Split phenomenon

http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.as ... enceID=477

**Michael Raduga** · 9th September 2006, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by CFTraveler

As to seeing 'things as they really are', IMHO only God can do that. We humans can only guess based on our very limited perceptual powers.

I'm not God... It's pity for this )

O'k. I hard all your pistion many time befor. May be I'm wrong but you should see it's not plain to explain the real sharp difference.

Especialy I wondering how to get OBE or AP or Lucide by whish?

And 1 very important thing: Lucide, you know, has one bad property - everything can be transoformed to everything by wish or by itself. Can you imagen what happan with some people when Lucid world transform to real his/her room?.... OBE...

**CFTraveler** · 9th September 2006, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Michael Raduga

I wondering how to get OBE or AP or Lucide by whish?

There are ways to increase your dreams' lucidity. If you wish, I can give you a link to a site that specializes in lucid dreaming.

And 1 very important thing: Lucide, you know, has one bad property - everything can be transoformed to everything by wish or by itself. Can you imagen what happan with some people when Lucid world transform to real his/her room?.... OBE...[/color]

If you mean how to convert a lucid dream to an OBE, the easiest way to do it is to ask to be back in your body in the middle of your dream. Once you are back in your 'body space' then attempt an exit technique or wish for vibrations (they come easy).

**Michael Raduga** · 12th September 2006, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by CFTraveler

And 1 very important thing: Lucide, you know, has one bad property - everything can be transoformed to everything by wish or by itself. Can you imagen what happan with some people when Lucid world transform to real his/her room?.... OBE...[/color]

If you mean how to convert a lucid dream to an OBE, the easiest way to do it is to ask to be back in your body in the middle of your dream. Once you are back in your 'body space' then attempt an exit technique or wish for vibrations (they come easy).

You missunderstood me. I meant what people used to think when everything in Lucid looks like real life (there is big chance for it). IMHO they decided it's AP or OBE...

**CFTraveler** · 12th September 2006, 08:46 PM

You missunderstood me. I meant what people used to think when everything in Lucid looks like real life (there is big chance for it). IMHO they decided it's AP or OBE...

Oh, I see.