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It gives the full lines at the article, this is a line that is repeated a few times during it, you just repeat the line where he says "Hear me... etc" :Originally Posted by orygbus
Hear Me, and make all Spirits subject unto Me: so that every Spirit of the Firmament and of the Ether; upon the Earth and under the Earth: on dry Land and in the Water: of Whirling Air, and of rushing Fire: and every Spell and Scourge of God may be obedient unto Me.
congrattulations. I was able to evoke Dantalion a week ago. However, lack of experience I couldn't see him or hear him.
But my friend told to me few days later that I succeded , but forgot to release him after evocation. (Although I was not aware of his precence, except huge amount of extra energy around me). So he was with me for few days I guess and stuck between two different worlds. And as soon as I hear d that he answered to my call I released him. I used ritual salt to protect myself and the ring was just big enough to surround me. I also asked God and Goddes to help me and understand this spirits and protection from all elements against evil spirits or forces. I will try to evoke Dantalion again during this week....Or did I invoke him?never remember which one is the right word. Anyways I used normal black mirror when calling him...Bthw, I remember reading a story where herbs and plants were used to clear the house from negative or hostile energy.
blessings to all
Thank you operasinger,
It's funny you mention Dantalion since I was asked a few days ago to work some magick for a friend of a friend and so I started casually reading about experiences people have had with goetics. One person said that Dantalion shows up as a woman and that she's very good with love and lust which is what that client wants. Now you post about your evocation, so I'll think more seriously about evoking her.
I just read Lon Milo Duquette's "My Life with The Spirits" and it's incredibly inspirational for an aspiring magician. To read about all those mistakes that he's made (that I would never think of even trying) and he's still alive, well, that's just cool. I also like his laid-back aproach to the Goetia which makes me feel it's all a matter of how I use it. In other words, if I expect the pits of hell to open up from beneath my house and to see a lot of freaky stuff, I might get that. But if I'm relaxed and don't expect to see any physical manifestations, I'll probably just feel a presence (which is what I usually get) and not get any problems.
I've been trying to get my stuff together to put Michael and other angels into a book of power which will tie me to them for the rest of my life so I'm going to be performing more evocations in the next few days/weeks so that I can make sure they'll get along with me. I'll post my success/failure stories in new threads.
Could you pm me if you have success with goetia spirits or generally speaking when you have success? I started with magick only 2 years ago and listened myself before I tried evocation. I thought Dantalion was him not her. Anywaysantalion 71st spirit.He is Duke great and mighty,appearing in the form of MAN with many countenances, all men's and women's faces and he hath a book in his righ hand. His office is to teach all arts and sciences unto any;and to declare the secret counsel of anyone; for he knoweth the thoughts
of all men and women, and can change the at his will. He can cause love,, and show the similitude of any person, and show the same by vision,let them be in what part of the world they will. He governeth 36 Legions of spirits.
So to me he/she seems to be very useful spirit. Could you let me know if you get information what category does goetia spirits belong to?
Some say that they are demons, and some are saying that they are said to be demons so that newbies don't get their fingers burned,,,,Thanks,
Did you use sigil of Michael when evoking? I have The Grimoire of Armadel in my bookshelf by S.L.MacGregor Mathers but not sure if it's useful or if it has correct sigils. Are you familiar with that? Or is there somebody else perhaps who's familiar with that book? Good luck for your evokings....
I didn't use any Michael sigils, actually. I just used his name and declared that I wanted Michael of the Sun. There's alot of different Michaels, I'm told. They all have different functions and abilities, but are all the same one (like the Christian Trinity). Using the hebrew name might be good too. You can find it searching on google.
Simply chanting his name is enough to make contact with him, since he's quick to help anyone that needs it. Definately one of the more powerful beings in the universe and quick to answer.
I have read from multiple sources, such as the new correct translation of the Abramelin operation, and Franz Bardon, that you are not supposed to evoke anything until you have a extremely high level of development/contact with your Holy Guardian Angel. Robert Bruce has had contact with his HGA, based on his Catch Basket article.
THE best book I have read on the subject is by Carroll "Poke" Runyan. He also has a DVD, which was even more enlightening. Both book and divx of the dvd are available from torrent. If you study both DVD and book, you will be ahead of 99.9% of people who attempt this.
To evoke properly is not hard BUT, it requires certain equipment, if you want to do it the best way. Sure you can half-ass it as well, but why would you want to do that?
One main question I have is....what is the difference between Goetic spirits/demons and negs??
alwayson4,
Just because an Author says something is a certain way, doesn't mean that's how it really is.
For example, IMHO, if one waits until achieveing union with their HGA to perform spirit evocation/invocation then they'll never do it. Ever. I don't know anybody that has actually gone through the process of making contact with their HGA without ever having evoked spirits beforehand. I'm talking about magicians here, not so much talking about the energy workers and astral projectors on this forum (or Robert Bruce).
I am of course talking in general, there's exceptions to everything but that's generally how it works. The fact is most people need something to back up their belief in magic and spirits. Most people won't take the time and effort it takes to do Abramelin (it can take years to prepare for it) without ever having backed-up their belief in the spirit world and usually by then one will have gone through plenty of work just to get to that point.
I don't agree that Poke Runyons book and DVD are the best resources. They're one style of working, not necessarily a good one. He leads people to believe that it's necessary to evoke a goetia spirit opposite an angel. If anything that's just dangerous since the daemon and angel might not get along and cause long-term damage to the magician.
Btw, angels and daemons are not necessarily enemies, usually they can work together and they are not polar opposites of each other despite popular belief. It's rare but some don't get along such as Raphael with a certain daemon.
A neg is a simple way of reffering to any number of types of spirits, whether deads or astral clutter, that simply feed on some people or try to hurt them for whatever reason.
A goetia daemon (notice I say daemon and not demon) is a high ranking spirit that has been worked with extensively by magicians for awhile. They have well known seals and because of that they are less dangerous (again IMHO) to have around than a Neg. I don't actually agree with Roberts view on what daemons are but we're all entitled to our own opinions
To be clear, demons and daemons are not the same entity. "Demon" I think is what the christians came up with way back similarly to Roberts modern usage of "Neg" to refer to an entity that causes trouble.
A daemon on the other hand is more appropriate to ancient entities like the ones from grimoires, or demonized gods, but not evil necessarily. They're used to people for the most part, and are sometimes benevolent and beneficial for humans. They generally don't possess people like "demons" do.
I recommend the wiki article on daemons to get a decent overview of what a daemon is exactly. Although there's no mention of entities from the goetia or other grimoires, it doesn't take much work to figure out that's what they are.
I did not mean to imply that you need to evoke exactly like Poke Runyan does.
I stand by my original statement, that if you do study his works and DVD, you will be ahead of 99% of people who evoke.
What authors do you follow?
Also, what is the entire point to evoking? What is the value or purpose?
I think its loads of fun. I've been teased by evoked entities and worked with them as well. They can teach, remove unwanted entities, or do energy healings, give advice... See clairvoyantly things we might miss.
But I suppose asking why someone would invoke is like asking why someone perfers tea over coffee. Sometimes "I like this way better" or "it works better for me this way" is all the answer you'll get too.
Did I mention that having a powerful entitiy in the room with you will stregthen your aura? IMO
Michael entered into a room I was in once. The conversations myself and my friends were having just ceased for a few minutes. Just this strong feeling was in the room... Micahel saw that he was interrupting, apologized and left. It was neat.
I am speaking of the energy of the guy, not some physical manifestation or freaking man with wings appearing BTW. Ha!
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