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    Quote Originally Posted by olyris View Post
    The prime key to new society is really like a constitution. A bill of rights sort of thing whereby everybody knows where they are and what they stand for. Possibly religion is getting a little outdated for now. I see an opening where morality has been making mistakes... Transformation - a human right, to one's own wellbeing. Takes only spiritual practice over time once (we) have the blueprint.
    I also think that the religion is getting a bit outdated now. Or at least the concept of religion needs a vialable update. The practical reality is that everyone has a certain general philosophy - about the reality, world and everything. There are not two the same philosophies, as there are not two the same people.

    Constitution however was a solution that has been already tried, with the big ideals standing behind it. United States were created this way. The attempt of the formal, rigid rules imposed on the whole society brought the result as we can see today, after more than 200 years from that time (not that much in fact).

    So perhaps it's time to abandon the concept of "country". And it wasn't always this way as today people think it needs always stay the same way: in the old times you had only cities and surroundings; the cultural borders were more flexible than today (if you wanted to insist on their existence). Like in the realms and times of the ancient Mesopotamia or Phoenicia.

    The difference for e.g. Phoenicians was that these people were under constant threat of a physical invasion, which occured from time to time from the more aggressively oriented groups (I consiously don't use the term of "nation"). We have a different situation now: we can use the current order of countries to create a new approach to living in general. Countries are not important themselves, but since they already are there, we can use this order for our benefits, not against us, staying flexible.

    On the other hand, conscious division means practically a free choice - where one wants (feels) where he or she belongs to.

    Balanced or unbalanced - the choice is yours, and only yours. Don't follow the other people's philosophies born in the same place (country). You can make a choice any time you want again, at any moment you want. It's not that simple when considering the resources needing to be shared in the "global village" in which we live today, being more a "village" than "global" more than anytime before. (And, therefore, perhaps the concept of the "resources" and the "needs" standing behind them requires a vialable update as well - and the whole economics as well; Adam Smith wrote about the times when he lived, but his ideas seem to be also outdated).

    SOCIAL WARS, RIGID RULES AND FREE CHOICE

    In fact, this - the free choice and the commonly so-called law of attraction - is something that is the law of the universe, but due to the specifics of the material reality is not as clearly seen and understood here.

    For instance, take the social wars - of which you can hardly read or see in the tv, or generally in the official media. (I.e. they are, like many important subjects, beyond the common - or "official" - consciousness, yet are the actual experience). Like the constant, daily-based war between female and male. No constitution would change it. Only understanding and consciousness. Even if you had something like 10 commandments in the Christian religion (the solution tried thousands of years ago), treated as the ultimate "sanctity", it would not change the daily lives of people.

    So the alchemical power of consiousness is the universal tool, I think - no matter how "mystic" it sounds, consciousness is also a very mundane thing. Focusing on the ideas and the prevailing paradigms, and the resulting tools, might create something like a movement, not necesserily formal - and the "new society" could emerge then in the imperceptible way.

    THE FREE CITY CONCEPT, a possible step into the more free society

    I've read recently about the history of Singapur. It's really interesting how fast a city like this one can grow from a small village having no valuable reources. And it made people living there suprisingly rich. The only issue that I have with Singapur is that it seems to be overly business-oriented. On the other hand, Tibetean nation seems to be the opposite extreme: spirituality overwhelms everything. It's not the balanced way.

    What I'm talking here is not the economical or spiritual freedom - although the economical self-sufficiency is always desired. It's rather an idea of the freedom in itself. Yet, the smaller group that everyone can join anytime (like you can go to Singapur anytime you wanted) seems to me to be a perfect solution now.

    So in general, the concept of "country" has too much power over the people's lives. It chokes the freedom of choices. If we wanted to stay always the same forever - new ideas would never emerged. If you are born, for instance, English, it is expected for you to go the "English" way. If you were born German, you are expected to go the "German" cultural way. This conceptual framework makes no sense any more in the current times.
    Last edited by Antares; 13th October 2019 at 12:49 PM.

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    Beyond dogma... philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherylWic View Post
    Just skimmed through the extract and I can already see that it is another one of those excellent finds. This will very likely be able to give us a better understanding in the POD vs limited pen issue.
    Of course!

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    Living longer and conscious life vs. poisoning your mind and body for staying blind

    The current approach to living today is... unacceptable no more, in my humble opinion.
    The gain-oriented attitude leads to nowhere, after all.

    Let's take an outlook on how a life of a human being develops concerning living in modern civilization.

    First, a child is born as a "empty, white page", as some of scientists would like to convince. Obviously it's not true, but after a child is born a process of "orientation" or "calibration" occurs - changing appropriately its psyche. As a human being with an infinite potential, this child needs to be "adjusted" to living today. (If it was born in other times, or even on another planet, this process would go differently - thus resulting in a potentially very different human being later as an adult).

    Child is not a "white page", but has its characteristics, tendencies, temper, talents and so on. The point is that they are not shaped - "crystalized" - yet. The natural tendencies (which means the actual person this child is really inside) need to find a way to express themselves - or, to be blocked. Potentially, there are infinite ways to express a particular charateristic (potential). Astrology gives a good idea on this subject.
    So the characteristics of a child are "modified": blocked, strengthened (if desired by the common believes), changed, twisted etc. They (inner, true tendencies) always want to find a way - and if ithey constantly fail in doing so, a person becomes easily frustrated or even worse - burnt out.

    The process of "adjusting" progresses when the child goes to school. Educational system narrows and limits ("adjusts") you even further.

    After then, you don't have much time to discover your potential. Work takes most of time of most of people on this planet.

    To realize fully your potential and make some real things in life, instead of living day-by-day without a bigger picture and an guiding idea prevailing it, you need more time today.

    That's why longer and conscious life is needed

    The first step is to focus on both consciousness and living a healthy life style. Only keeping your health and energy high ensures that you will have a quality life and be conscious enough to make choices for yourself. This leads then to prolongating your life and decreasing the gettting old processes for your body, mind and energy.
    I like the ancient medical Chinese guidelines on these, as they relate both (awareness and concsiouness with staying healthy) and give reasonable advices on how to achieve them.

    The alternative to the above is to live blindly - not thinking for yourself, but just following schemes / examples of other peole, being as confused as any other person, going through the same process from a "white-page" child to a restricted by the civilizational circumstanes adult. Some of them just believe that "this is the only way". Of course it's not, yet there should be first someone to go first that other way before, so that other people could follow (be inspired). Otherwise we (society) always would stay the same or get even worse.

    Conscious thought - the reflection on the current state - is needed to make some necessary modifications to the current life style.

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    Few warnings here.

    There are currently 2 major civilizational "new" paradigms - both are designed for the "new society": atheist and esoteric. The society is supposed to choose one of them, maybe even both, it doesn't matter which one would ultimately win - but I recommend to choose none. Don't believe any common paradigms, set up your own ones, and stay flexible.

    Beware of so called "NEW RELIGION" for the new millennium.
    It might be even not called a religion, but essentially it is nothing but a program of beliefs. It's good to remember what happened to Christianity in Rome nearly two thousand years ago. The idea was to convert the world population to be a citizens of Rome, and thus being involved in the "system", including removing old - called "pagan" (a fancy name for "worse") - paradigms to be replaced with a one god and one central institution ruled by one man called pope - very structured and hierarchical organization. They used pro-"pagan"-da in even small sayings like "all roads lead to Rome" (today it is called, I believe, "product location" - an implicit suggestion for something, and Rome was indeed a product to be "marketed"). This is how the social design works, invisibly. Any movements which are not in alignment with the designed paradigms, are either finally re-modified (like Chistianity, when unable to be destroyed despite many attempt), or destroyed anyway (like Paganism, eliminated in a brutal way, with "resources" being particularly humans, and founded with the taxes given by the "citizens of Rome"). Yeah, marketing was invented thousands of years ago.

    Same story is just happening once again, but in a new "modern" form. Every common belief can be re-designed and transformed to a one that supports the new slavery system. Money and other resources stolen from you are used then against you, to put you deeper into the system. The first attempts to introduce a new thought appear to be very innocent, and it is already happening for few recent decades. You may think these are just common people who provide these new beliefs into masses, and in a big part this is true - they really believe in them. But don't let the temptation to be in a larger "community" to control your beliefs, because it is how people are given subtle incentives to be put into another new millennium of slavery. They are just a new designed program for the masses and masses' beliefs. You think that the global leaders are blind and can't see the social trends or ignore them? They want us to think so, they pretend that they ignore them.

    The so called new religion is related to a "new" esoteric common beliefs, particularly referring to what and how after-world works, e.g. why we are "supposed" to believe in things like karma - put in a very specific interpretation. They would use the common ideas about NDE experiences. But as always I believe that it is better to trust only your own findings and feelings, and no one else's. I believe it is better to remove the "karma" term from the dictionary now, as it is not necessary at this stage any more. This is one of the controlling concepts that can be (mis)interpreted in many, many ways - and is in conflict with the free spirit of the possible new times.

    This is the social and mental control. What about physical and energetic control?

    The new paradigm is also related to technology. You might have noticed that the virus situation is now used to introduce many restrictions and control. Androids and droids - founded with your money from the taxes (even if no one asked you if you want to invest in more means to control you and your relatives) - are showing up on the streets now. They are justified with the old argument of "security" - with the question being: who actually wants to be secured thanks to them? The first attempts are as always innocent, they are checking how society would react to them, so that they could plan the best next level of introducing even more technology. Perhaps even more important to physical control is the energetic control. Energy is controlled through the use of vibrations, generated among others by the electronic devices.

    How about cars? In USA there is a "driving culture", as they call it. Everyone "needs" to have a car and the driving license there, you cannot move without it. Expensive cars bring up a lot of taxes for the government to be used in many ways, but that's a small potato actually. New cars are full of electronics in it, and the next forced generation of cars is supposed to be entirely automated, be connected to the internet (so called "internet of things", with a fancy abbreviation IoT - you can get millions from companies like Microsoft if you would have an innovative idea how IoT can be used, at the moment it's still attempted to be introduced to people with having no real need for it), you won't have control over it - it'd be controlled by data recieved from the internet, and is marketed, as always, to be "safier".

    What I believe? That it is better to question everything, whatever is said, written, or implicitly suggested. Now every single person - being aware of this or not - is put in the position to make the choice for the future of this planet. It's like voting - with your beliefs, personal choices and deeds. This is how real democracy works - it has nothing to do with choosing those who control you.

    From the infinite spirit perspective, it really doesn't matter who and how many people would choose slavery, and how long it'd last again: for the next thousand years, 10 thousand, 100 thousands of years, maybe to the end of the planet - it's really nothing to the spirit. This is a free will place, every can choose whatever he or she wants, and the only way to make other people choose what you want them to is either to convince, manipulate or force them to do so. Don't think in the victim's way - everyone is free and chooses his or her own paradigms.
    Last edited by Antares; 16th May 2020 at 09:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antares View Post
    But don't let the temptation to be in a larger "community" to control your beliefs [...] (even if no one asked you if you want to invest in more means to control you and your relatives) - [things] are showing up on the streets now.
    The ancient lesson - Spirituality is alone VS "I need comforting." The Higher Self knows this choice outright...

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    A very curious excerpt on the ideal humans life style conveyed by the Sirius beings from the book by Murry Hope:

    ...[It] would be in small communities, in which every person has a place and purpose ... Today, so many of you are totally lost; you do not know what to do with your lives, so you waste valuable time and energy that could be put into more constructive uses

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    Quote Originally Posted by olyris View Post
    Consciousness is beyond death. Only problem is, death is beyond Earth. You get a curious thing called the mirror effect.

    My reflection is a fool.
    And fool is an excellent way to embark onto a new adventure. But I would say that death is a part of (living on the) Earth, while it is life which is beyond Earth... as it is spirit(ual). I mean, I don't believe in this scientific stuff that life needs matter to sustain its functions; it is rather life as quality which makes this "miracle" and causes an actual (complicated) doll which human body sort of is to revive.

    I started to create a new dictionary in order to go beyond the old concepts, changing old concepts and replacing them with more appropriate new ways of thinking; for instance, ancient and tribal people don't have names for past or future, even some today used languages don't have them, so here are three words I would start with:

    It was -> It is
    I will -> I do
    I would -> I choose not to at this point, or considering a change

    EDUCATION AND / OR TERROR
    I was observing my mind while learning, and have the following conclusions. First I like to learn - unless I feel pressure to do so. I also like to do this on my own pace, which is mentally healthy. Despite of that, I don't like the school rigor imposing on a student what to learn, when to learn, how fast to learn and what conclusions "should" I draw, and how should I think (like on a mathematics lesson where teacher told me when I think "wrong" and when I think "right"). I rebelled against it and treated it as a mental violation. I felt it was killing my mind and my personality, so I simply ignored lessons and refused to learn. Of course, I was punished for that. They were terrorizing me that I won't earn much because I don't want to learn (in the way the teachers told me). Interesting fact is that I didn't have to learn almost anything to earn much more now than the teachers do... however, I can imagine how millions of new students go through the same routine, and might be not as rebellious and honest with themselves as I was when I was a kid. I can see this distorted and limited mentality in many of scientists' minds who followed "the rules" imposed in schools.

    Where is the place (space) here for really creative thinking and freedom in education?
    There is none, because it is not education, it is training - just like you train your dog. You tell it what to do, how to do it, and what to think in reaction to what you do and expect.

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    For some reason the movie Keanu came to mind.
    It has been said that the medieval folk had some very different schedules until the advent of electricity and lightbulbs changed how we function. I for one, am not a morning person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFTraveler View Post
    For some reason the movie Keanu came to mind.
    It has been said that the medieval folk had some very different schedules until the advent of electricity and lightbulbs changed how we function. I for one, am not a morning person.
    Are you the night type of person, then? How do you experience your, unusal I guess, schedule?
    And what were the schedules in medieval times? I thought it was all about sunrises and sunsets defining how the societies functioned then.

    There is also a weekly schedule. Why do we have to follow these routines: 5-day work week, and the weekend. I must say, while first it was something normal, after some time I started to being tired of this routine of diving a week into two parts - always the same way! How about having 10 day-work week, and 4-day weekend some time? Or having "weekend" in the middle of the week? Or at monday? Wouldn't it be more fun with some less routine and predictability? I'm not talking about holidays as exceptionally free days.

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