astral bugs or not?

[metalwyrm]

sometimes I sit around on the patio and look outside at the sky (which for the most part, is covered with tree surrounding my building)

whenever I look at the blue sky and even clouds, for a while, I begin to see these little white dots, that look sorta like fireflies I suppose

I was wondering if people knew what these are and if I'm perhaps seeing things

personally, I don't think it's something with my eyes themselves that are manifesting images, there's so many of these dots

and they all seem to move in random directions

[Dr. Rumfield]

I see them too, most often in the shower and they look like fire flies too. Swirling around, very bright white light, very close to me.

Have no clue what they are, maybe assisting in a cleansing?

[Crispassion]

Yes, I have seen these alot too. They are easiest to see on a bright sunny day when looking at the sky. They appear in great numbers then. As you begin to be aware of them you start to see more and more. They move randomly like atoms zig zagging about leaving little comet trails. It seems not to matter where (in terms of distance) your eyes are focused, but if you use your periferal vision and are aware of your whole visual field you see even more of them. They definitely move with more energy on hot bright days, but even now as I look outside I can see them and it is overcast today in London. I've seen them apparently interact with auras of trees and other people, but this may be an optical effect. Sometimes I'm not sure whether they are close by overlaying my view of the outside world, or if they are at a distance. My impression is that they are the 'close up' appearance of some form of energy. I have seen them mentioned only once in my extensive reading, as a preliminary stage in learning to see energy (the UEF or Universal Energy Field), in Barbara Brennan's ground breaking book "Hands of Light". Just now found it on page 37 if you're interested. She says they are globules of 'orgone' energy - ie free energy in the atmosphere which is charged by sunlight and absorbed by trees (and us if we do Chi Kung and other energy work!).

There is another conversation on this forum somewhere about this subject, not sure where.

EDIT - Just found it here: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=645

But rest assured many others see it too! Hope this helps...

Happy viewing!

Cris.

[Middleway]

Yes, I have seen these alot too. They are easiest to see on a bright sunny day when looking at the sky. They appear in great numbers then. As you begin to be aware of them you start to see more and more. They move randomly like atoms zig zagging about leaving little comet trails. It seems not to matter where (in terms of distance) your eyes are focused, but if you use your periferal vision and are aware of your whole visual field you see even more of them. They definitely move with more energy on hot bright days, but even now as I look outside I can see them and it is overcast today in London. I've seen them apparently interact with auras of trees and other people, but this may be an optical effect. Sometimes I'm not sure whether they are close by overlaying my view of the outside world, or if they are at a distance. My impression is that they are the 'close up' appearance of some form of energy. I have seen them mentioned only once in my extensive reading, as a preliminary stage in learning to see energy (the UEF or Universal Energy Field), in Barbara Brennan's ground breaking book "Hands of Light". Just now found it on page 37 if you're interested. She says they are globules of 'orgone' energy - ie free energy in the atmosphere which is charged by sunlight and absorbed by trees (and us if we do Chi Kung and other energy work!).

There is another conversation on this forum somewhere about this subject, not sure where.

EDIT - Just found it here: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=645

But rest assured many others see it too! Hope this helps...

Happy viewing!

Cris.

Globules, eh?

http://www.rickrichards.com/chakras/Chakras1a.html#what

Near the bottom, under the heading "Why are Colors Associated with Chakra", there is speak of a 7 atomed configuration that forms via sunlight that is absorbed by the etheric body.

I think there may be something to this. When I was on the toilet once i saw them converging over my head like they are going into my 8th chakra or maybe up and over into my crown.

[Psi]

It's not metaphysical....it's simply microbes on your eye of various sizes, bubbles if you will, and they form in various places. Here's an idea, go get some eyedrops and clear your eyes, and notice that what you see isn't there anymore. Also, if you look closely, you can see them indoors as well...It's also when you see a light glazed type reflection in the air that floats around and eventually disappears. It's not metaphysical. Now if you work doing third eye chakra work and saw orbs in the air that could be seen UP CLOSE and weren't indefinitely distant(as you will find these "Globules" to be, then that's worthy of mention.

[edit] Oh, and I have Hands of Light as well. Worst book I ever invested the money in. Was a good read, but nothing I didn't already know or could find online.

[Crispassion]

I disagree. They may or may not be metaphysical, but they're not microbes on the eye! I have plenty of the microbe 'floater' things which appear like dark cells (like cells under a microscope) - they move according to your eye movement and are obviously eye related. These other things are independant of the eye's movement and are fixed in space in relation to your view - apart from their own definite zig zagging movement. When you see them properly the field of view seems like it is literally 'boiling' with bright sparks of energy. Need to experiment with them more to see if any can be seen up close in any way.

Cris.

[Middleway]

It's not metaphysical....it's simply microbes on your eye of various sizes, bubbles if you will, and they form in various places. Here's an idea, go get some eyedrops and clear your eyes, and notice that what you see isn't there anymore. Also, if you look closely, you can see them indoors as well...It's also when you see a light glazed type reflection in the air that floats around and eventually disappears. It's not metaphysical. Now if you work doing third eye chakra work and saw orbs in the air that could be seen UP CLOSE and weren't indefinitely distant(as you will find these "Globules" to be, then that's worthy of mention.

[edit] Oh, and I have Hands of Light as well. Worst book I ever invested the money in. Was a good read, but nothing I didn't already know or could find online.

You may have to consider for a moment that you may have no idea what we are talking about.

I have seen microbes on my eye. I can close one eye right now and look towards a light source with the other and see those things at will at any moment I choose as they glide across the moisture on the surface of my eye. They do follow my line of sight.

The sparkles of light are not "indiffenently distant." Once they actually started converging over my head while in the bathroom so the top distance from my eyes to the wall was alittle less than a foot. These light things, visually, are as distinct from being "something on the surface of my eye" as humminbird bird going form flower to flower is. They can and have floated behind other object. They move sometimes like schools of fish and sometimes individually in a sporatic kind of way. If I turn away they do not follow my line of sight. And if they are traveling in one direction when I turn away and I turn back, they will be in the appropriate place considering their movement speed and the amount of time that I was not viweing them. Unlike alot of people I have only seen them indoors.

While laying down in bed I saw a blue one that had white light "outline"(it's hard to explain) which gave of a rainbow-like irridescent flash effect. Has anyone else seen any with colors besides goldish white?

[Psi]

They cannot follow your line of site because they are not actually on your eye, but on the small membrane that covers it. A parasitic worm exists that enters the bloodsteam and normally isn't discovered until it moves across the underpart of your eye, much like the microbes/misc material that we all get is there. Whatever you're seeing isn't what I am talking about, thats for sure. Your eye shifts underneath this ultrathin membrane, and what you're seeing shouldn't be following your line of sight at all and if it is, it's simply because it's not on the outside of the membrane, but on the inner part by some miracle. Also, even if it's not what I say it is, I am more inclined to beleive that it's simply an optical illusion generated when your eyes lose focus, much as an aura -could- be had I not proven it to myself otherwise. Instantly speculating something to be metaphysical when it is easily not is a good way to cut more ties to reality...and that's not exactly a safe thing. Religion comes to mind...

[Dr. Rumfield]

It's not metaphysical....it's simply microbes on your eye of various sizes, bubbles if you will, and they form in various places. Here's an idea, go get some eyedrops and clear your eyes, and notice that what you see isn't there anymore. Also, if you look closely, you can see them indoors as well...It's also when you see a light glazed type reflection in the air that floats around and eventually disappears. It's not metaphysical. Now if you work doing third eye chakra work and saw orbs in the air that could be seen UP CLOSE and weren't indefinitely distant(as you will find these "Globules" to be, then that's worthy of mention.

[edit] Oh, and I have Hands of Light as well. Worst book I ever invested the money in. Was a good read, but nothing I didn't already know or could find online.

EVERYTHING is metaphysical... it all stems from belief, A lot of people that post here started their sensitivity training (feeling energy) from faith alone and eventually began understanding what exactly they were feeling (in this case seeing). Yes, if you blink it away... it will go away because that is what you truly want. I will gamble that many people who have had experiences would not be very willing to give up what they feel and understand now.... have they been simply making this stuff up?... are they feeling their own imagination?... whatever the answer, I bet they wouldn't trade any "results" for the world because it is real to them, hence they are interacting with the Universal Energy Field and creating their own reality which means they are making something VERY real happen in their life.


I see (and have seen them) within inches of my body and I was not doing any energy work, just getting out of the shower... they are about 1 mm in diameter. Very real indeed


I have the book on my bed right now, been finishing it as I get time. Yes the information is available in many places BUT this is information that has been experienced first hand and proven... very important in this field BUT most importantly, it is a bible of information all in one place. It may not seem like much but when you understand what she says and put it to use (like any good info.) it becomes more valuable than anything most people could do on their own in the dark for 30 years.[

[Psi]

According to your post, people claiming they see these globules could possibly be insane. Bravo.

Oh, but I am fairly sure I am sane, so...that means these people aren't insane. I also know next, by my statement of simple sense, that it's not metaphysical at all. Your point was made moot by your own statement. **slow clap**

On the off chance that I am insane somehow, that classifies anyone else here that beleives their OBE experiences were real are also, in fact, a loony.

es, if you blink it away... it will go away because that is what you truly want.

If I had a case of cancer, I'd truly want it away, and aside from alot of energy work, I don't think it would go anywhere because I -want- it to. It would go away if I did the energy work, not because I beleive it will. Results would yield results, not praying for results.

have they been simply making this stuff up?

Not my place to say, but being human, I'd say a few are. I don't doubt that what they see is there to be seen or not, but the question doesn't really address that.

I bet they wouldn't trade any "results" for the world because it is real to them, hence they are interacting with the Universal Energy Field and creating their own reality which means they are making something VERY real happen in their life.

Actually, they may be diluting themselves into a spiral of stupid and sadness that will plague them for years to come. I bet I could will myself into an illness, or will myself to a perpetual happiness that is forever present, but that most certainly doesn't make it healthy or practical, as I see to be the only counter-argument being made here.

So, overrall: Why not look for an actual explanation before delving into the self-acquired truths of the metaphsyical that may or may not actually be the truth? To me, OBE is real, regardless the average person would argue otherwise. Why? Because I beleived it to be utter dogmess until I clarified it for myself. A false clarification is not something anyone should be looking for, which this thread cries for on the idea that these optical illusion/whatever are non-physical in nature.

IF they are proven, why hasn't it been studied further and brought to light? I'm damn sure we would've done further investigation into this had it been -proven-. OBE was -proven- and studied, but the results were thrown out because of the practical scientific community found it rediculous, as many would. Hell...Ghosts are technically -proven- but a greater percentage of people don't beleive in them for various reasons.

Plenty of things go proven and unproven, but beleived or not beleived is what matters. The problem here is, a person who beleives OBE, cool, if they don't, their loss. The problem? Can't explain it rationally outside of typical science and experiment without throwing the "common sense" of society today out the window. The next problem is, my explanations are nothing to be unsure about. Sure, they could be wrong, but I doubt it, because I gun for a -real- explanation first before I go delving into half-baked theories.

People used to think that maggots sprouted from bad meat ....Seems to be on the same level of silly to me to assume something instantly to be metaphysical.