correct meditation and prana(chi,ki)sparkles

[bane]

hi there,i would like to address this subject for those of you who dont know correct meditation methods,and the symptoms inherent of "correct"practice of deep belly breathing> "real meditation"this descussion is about the method that has been used for more than 5,000 years by yogi's and asians and is the prewiquisit to oriental occultism,keep the togue on the roof of the mouth just behind the two front teeth(this copletes the psychic circuit)get comfy,sit in seiza,or lotus ,or half lotus keep the spine streight,(for those of you who are stiff and cannot get down on the floor in these positions just sit in a chair)it is very important to keep the spine streight,breath in through the knose,dont use your chest to breath this is improper technique,use your lower abdomen two to three inches below the bellybutton,on inhaleatin this spot is to expand out,on exhalation it contracts in,exhale with the mouth,take a pouse of three to seven secolnds between inhale and exhaleations,also visualiseations help alot(one i know and love)on inhale visualise a thin silver stream of energy going down your windpipe to your hara(the point in the lower abdomen i told you about) and as you hld your breath it circulates clockwisethen exhale it out in the same manner,ok this is how it is done,you must focus your mind on the hara,where your mind is energy follows.do this fo 30 minuts to an hour twice a day to start with.

revers belly breathing is very important to just reverse,inhale-bellyretracts-exhale it expands.

now to the side effects and the time it takes to get there.

this could take years do develop psychic powers or just months,it depends on you and your dedication to the practice,this is a tried and true proven method that is tought formaly in,aikido,tai chi,shinto,buddhism,yoga,the fefects at first are tingling,warmth,buzzing,rushing,pressure,after doing this for a long time you may notice sparkles,that is a very good sigh that you are gaining etheric sight(real clairvoyance)as -"my openion"- "i"call it these sparkles are particles of the energy you have been storing in your sacrel shackra(lower abdomen/hara)now wach them learn how to direct your energy.

chackras meridians and mudras: these are important in the advanced stages,meridians run through your intire body and chackras are psychic centers that store suplies of differant types of"refined" energy(its all prana,ki,chi its just alittle differant "densityand colourwise"when refined. now we come to mudras,those meridians run through your hands and fingertips,when you make a mudra with your hand/s you are connecting differant/certain meridians that go to certain/differant parts of the body/chackras/orgons,onse you can direct your inner energy you can channel it through the mudras breaking up blockages and such,but the real beuty of mudras is they refine your energy(iff done right)and in time certain mudras will give certain psychic abilaties.


this is the most efective way along with chi gung,yoga(which has mudras ) to attain psychic powers "but" iff power is all you desire it wiss come back to hount you these methods are for enlightenment,psychic powers are the natural byproduct of enlightenment,"just a little warning" persuit of psychic powers is a major roadblock to spiritual development it will stop you from advancing iff you get fixated on psychic powers,there is much more things to the subtle worlds that here in the wes is not even hinted to.

try try and have patience and you will be rewarded,i hope you reaserch all that i have mentioned in an effort to learn more as my abilaty to articulate is not to good,sorry for how longwinded this post was i hope you enjoy your meditations.

---bane----

[oath]

Very nice Bane.

[fitz]

Nice overview for beginners.

I'm going to nit pick though and tell you its impossible to breath out of your mouth while holding your tongue to your mouth--so just inhale and exhale out of your nose while meditating to keep the tongue on the roof of the mouth.

[journyman161]

I'm going to nit pick though and tell you its impossible to breath out of your mouth while holding your tongue to your mouth-

Um... no it isn't - there's at least two ways to do this...

[bane]

Nice overview for beginners.

I'm going to nit pick though and tell you its impossible to breath out of your mouth while holding your tongue to your mouth--so just inhale and exhale out of your nose while meditating to keep the tongue on the roof of the mouth.

lol ----------anyway, thanks guys, people in general getting into this type of spiritual practice at least from the perspective of looking through diferant forums dont even understand that there is technique involved and i feel the need to help point them in the right direction,as for the nit picking--->

[Tempestinateapot]

Nice thread and good instructions, Bane. I would like to give an opposite view, though. While formal training is often a good way to go, it's not the only way to meditate. By making blanket statements such as this:

from the perspective of looking through diferant forums dont even understand that there is technique involved and i feel the need to help point them in the right direction

you are discounting the experiences of thousands if not millions of people who have developed spiritually and meditate quite well without any formal training.

There are many ways to meditate that don't include breathwork or formal postitions. I do neither, and have been able to reach transcendental states that few people I've talked to have been able to attain. I also have the ability to see auras, do PK, remote view, and have psychic abilities that came about through no training at all. I have many friends who have similar abilities and do not do the practices that you talked about.

I'm not trying to downplay what you've written. It's a time honored tradition that gets results. But, it's hardly the only correct way. As in all things, balance is important. And, that is my only reason for writing this post. Balance, so that many other people's experiences are not judged by themselves or others.

[chrystalpaths]

Nicely presented but I will agree with our Tempest and say there are many forms of meditation technique. I use some you never touched on and they can and do work.

[star]

I prefer to meditate in the postition my body tends to settle in. Normally with my left hand resting on my right hand, palms up.

[bane]

yes i do agree that there are many ways of meditation,but i did not refer to formal training,i was refering to proper technique,many people have voiced to me that meditation does not work on the grounds of their experiance and they where not useing proper tech.,i realise your point,however this thread has been thrown down the road of semantics which is a negative place to be,iff you go to a buddhist temple you would learn zen in order to reach satori,iff you went to a yogi you would learn focusing techniques in steps to achieve samadhi,if you went to a daoist preist you would learn wei dan and nei dan,all of these have something in common,(breath work) and visualiseation,of course there are other methos that come from the west which are void of some or all of these components, but traditionally speaking they are not what oriental occultist's refer to when speaking of meditation,ask any of the obove mentioned experts and they will tell you that breathwork and focused intent are paramount to enlightenment,trancendental experiances that are sought after are only a hindarance along the way just as psychic powers are also a detriment iff that is the sole purpose of the exorsise, i expect there to be some who disagree with me it is only natural to find opposition in the world when someone stands up to help others,iff your way works for you and your purposes then i am happy for you,as for me i dont intend on claiming that i own a way, i just point out the way for those who truely seek out enlightenment.

[chrystalpaths]

BANE SAID:
they will tell you that breathwork and focused intent are paramount to enlightenment,trancendental experiances that are sought after are only a hindarance along the way just as psychic powers are also a detriment iff that is the sole purpose of the exorsise,

I REPLY:
I agree proper breathwork and intent are important when learning to meditate and find ones center

BANE SAID:
i expect there to be some who disagree with me it is only natural to find opposition in the world when someone stands up to help others,iff your way works for you and your purposes then i am happy for you,as for me i dont intend on claiming that i own a way, i just point out the way for those who truely seek out enlightenment.

I REPLY:
on a forum Bane, there is a platform for discussion and many points of view and experience. When one comes to reply about their experiences it does not demean or belittle your own beliefs or ways of doing things and to make such a comment directed towards those expressing thier own is negative in itself and not necessary.

I expressed nor felt opposition to your comments. I thought they were clearly written and concise as I said. However if one is not supposed to comment in return...I will keep that in mind with your future "instruction" and pass by.

I am an older lady who dedicates her life to the help and healing of all creatures. I am still learning and hope to continue to do so. By perusing these forums I learn and hope to share my own with others, as I said in my posts. No negative until I felt your reply...being empathic I did "feel it" as I read.

No harm, but be as open minded as you wish us to be, I ask politely. Namaste to all.