Stargazer said:Ain't it the truth? When I went to TMI, the most frustrating thing all week was to keep my big mouth shut. People kept asking questions that Robert Bruce answers in his books and tutorials. The trainers would just smile and say, "What do you think it was?" They aren't big on explaining things, because they want people to have their own experience and interpret it. But, people were saying things like, "it felt like something dark and scary was sitting on my chest, and I panicked." Hello!! Dweller on the Threshold phenomenom. Instead they got the "what do you think it was" and enigmatic smile.Being stuck in the Monroe box is more about the lack of instructions than anything, lol
I'm not sure I understand the question. "Getting out" is a term that's not quite accurate. We're talking about consciousness here. You don't actually get out of your body or consciousness. You are shifting your attention. That's what phasing is in a nutshell...shifting your attention. I think that the reason we interpret getting out with the physical action is because it feels that way because we are so ingrained with physicality. We are making assumptions based on the human experience, where the actual reality is that we don't "go" anywhere. It feels like we are going out of our body because that's what we expect...whether we actually have that thought or not. I think it's a collective conscious experience based on our grounding to the physical.Re: click outs... if you always get out on a click out, are you snapping immediately back in when you wake?
So, I think you were asking if after a click out, when we become aware, are we in the astral? It would depend. You could be, or you could be just back in your body and consciously awake. Again, "back in your body" is actually just a human perception and not what's really happening. If you get up and stub your toe, and it hurts, I'd say you are most likely in the physical world.
Welcome to the world of bi-location! It can get really, really strange.It seemed to take me a long time to actually fall fully asleep, like a part of my mind was awake for a really long time before following the rest of my mind down, but not a part I was very aware of.
Yeh, I know the feeling. Same thing happened to me with Kundalini. I kept shutting it down out of fear. I finally said, what the heck, I can't die anyway, I'm an immortal soul, and had a great experience.I was being dragged into an experience rather than directing it. If you're swimming in dark water and something snatches your ankle and starts to drag you under
You go, girl!!just the experience of being fully conscious and observing the reflex was well worth the price of admission!
Korpo said:Well, sometimes you have to deal with it when it comes up. Especially when those exit sensations creep up on you in the middle of the night. I'd call it working through fear while it's happening. And, the more you practice trance, do energy work, and study about OBE, the more your energy body seems to take over and start doing the driving. I think the no. 1 thing you can do is to study up on what to expect. So many experiences are common to almost everyone, that if you know about them ahead of time, the less afraid you will be.Working through fear cannot be rushed
Stargazer said:Ok, maybe I'm the only one in the world who believes this, but you are OBE'ing, and from the sound of it, you have been for quite awhile. When you are lucid in a dream, and you're trying to jump or fall through a mirror, all you are doing is trying to get from one place in the astral to another. You're not trying to OBE from a lucid dream...you are out of body. I remember someone once asked Robert Bruce about lucid dreaming vs. OBE'ing and his response was something like, "Is there really a difference?" So, I'm totally guessing here, so don't quote me, but I think Robert might have changed some thinking since his first book. Maybe he's addressed some of that in his updated AD book, or in his new energy book. Or, I could just be Ms. Bats in the Belfry and imagined it all.But I love lucid dreaming, and some of my lucid experiences have been so breathtaking that I have smelled fragrances (supposedly impossible in dreams, I hear ?) and felt pain.
Korpo said:Oh, God, don't say that! I'm already in enough trouble every time I open my mouth and someone thinks it's written in stone. Please read my signature.Tempest is absolutely right about one thing - okay, about a lot of things
Korpo said:I haven't yet met a person who has OBE'd and hasn't had some fear at different times while "out". I've certainly had my share of it. Fear begets fear. Maybe just going with it, expecting a little fear, and dealing with it as it comes up is an easier way? "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." Franklin D. Roosevelt.So I am trying to work with my fear, emotions and energies lately, and it is not easy
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