After-life - how is it?

[Antares]

Let me explain how I see common beliefs to be like when concerning what to expect after physical death vs. what are the actual knowns:

- atheistic view: consciousness is a concidental effect of material complexity, and it (we) ends its (our) existence with the physical death
- religious view: we meet judgement after death which will decide about our future - e.g. going to heaven, hell, or reincarnate (depending on particular religion)
- (typical) new age view: we re-incarnate due to and only because of our will because we "believe" that we should go through it in order to gain certain benefits possible to gain on the Earth plane; typically we meet our families, and do not deal with / take into account any ETs activity, but simply take on few personal factors when considering another possible incarnation

Most of them do not take seriously into account possible extra-terrestials interfence on the planet / our solar system. However, people like Ingo Swann with his ESP experiences, Dolores Cannon's research of people under hypnosis, many channelings like those from Lyssa Royal or Barbara Marciniak, and many other writers and researchers, seem to present at least a slightly different, but more full picture of what is going on beyond the "obvious" physical aspect. Beyond what new age common "religion" seem to suggest.

The interesting fact is that, aside from so called "pink spirituality" beliefs, all the existence relies on energy, which was a common belief, including ancient religions, until recently. For instance, taoists had a different view on how things are after death; their quest for tao was in considerably large part aimed at gaining the consciousness after physical death, as opposed to an average person who was believed to become an unconscious ghost, just "dreaming dreams" and prone to "alien" forces, until re-incarnating once again (due to lack of energy). How different this view is from the current beliefs? Then, can we say that the current beliefs are really the ultimate ones? Or, maybe... far from that?

See my point?

Concerning the energy reliance, there is also a conviction, present e.g. in some channelings and spiritualistic ghosts invocations, that "spirits" (like souls of deceased people) need energy (as a food), and they feed on living people. Of course, the energy is universal, so ETs (physical and non-physical) are included into "nourishing" scheme. The feeding is actually a way to maintaining a certain frequency or frequency range (like in order to maintain a fear frequency range you need to get a fear-based energy from... somewhere). The question is: where do they gain energy from?

Now, is a physical food the only way to absorbing energy? If it was the case, non-physical beings would not need energy. But it is pretty obvious, confirmed also by OBE experiences, that the need for energy is actual requirement - also for non-physical parts of ourselves. Chinese people called this universal energy - Qi. It exists on all levels in various forms, from material to non-material.

When realizing fully that point, there is really only a small step into making at least a theoretical assumption that there could be an organization of beings (like non-physical, along with physical, extra-terrestials) with an intent to create a system where energy could be provided on the regular basis (and not just occassionally), just like taxes are the system of providing an endless stream of money. Should we assume that only human beings are intelligent? Should we assume that only human beings have a tendency to be "evil"?

No religion assumed so. Only modern (and rather not well thought through yet) new age beliefs seem to ignore those facts. Hence I really don't think it is an accurate way of assuming what we are supposed to face after the physical death.

Now imagine that you go to a different continent or planet, and you find there another specie - of lower intelligence or level of development, but still alive: you call them "pigs". They may look like this:



Do you try to communicate with them? Like, perhaps, making some interesting discussions about the universe...? Very unlikely, I'd say.

Or, maybe, you start a war with them, in order to conquer their territory? Also very unlikely.

Instead, you quickly realize that they are very good... as a food source. So you create a whole system of breeding them. They won't mind - they would even not realize it. And you want it to keep this as long as possible - to have this comfortable resource of food. No more hunting, no more occassionally found food resources, no more daily-based struggle for nutrition. You just need to keep this system of feeding, and make sure that "pigs specie" won't get more intelligent or developed than they are.

(There are certain laws of the universe, based on energy frequencies, coming primarily from the center of the galaxy, center of the universe, and from stars, particularly through the sun frequencies, which may cause DNA possibly to be re-programmed - which is a potential threat for you as an incomer to this continent / planet / system, because then the specie could develop too far and the whole system of control / breeding could stop working... so you need to not allow this to happen. If you allowed them to develop, pigs could... become equal to "us", as gods - see the Bible... You need to keep minds of pigs to be massively put under constant control, telling them how their lives should look like, how their enterainment should look like, telling them what is tabu and forbidden, giving them an illusion of choices of beliefs from a preset number of popular philosophies / religions, keeping them away from thinking for themselves, and even telling them what they may expect after death - so that they didn't do anything about it and kept "positive beliefs" that everything is going to be just fine, like meeting their lovely piggy families of deceased ones in the heavens full of beautiful angels who don't do anything but take care of this piggy farm... sorry, specie ).

Keep my mind open and looking for further information.

My conclusion is, again, to maintain focus on increasing consciousness, instead of sticking to common beliefs, which - as history told so many times - were just propagated to masses so that they didn't search for anything beyond the scheme.

[Antares]

Thanks.

In the video the man confirms the same notion as I put before, that the Earth-plane is prison. The explanation why... is something I suspected before, but now I suspect things are actually more complex than that... That man states that we loose all the memories and are diligently deprived of them - if so, then this might be interesting:

Here are few experiences that I had:
- when I was a little child, I had channeling experiences which I remembered all, as they were very intense. One of them was really interesting: I was twice asked out of nowhere by a clear male voice in the age of 4 or so "(REMEMBER) WHO YOU ARE?" in short amount of time, which terrified me then
- I had a vague glimpses of some cosmic war which I / we lost in the past, and spiritual aggression afterwards of killing the (my, others') soul(s), including our memories!
- Atlantis incident of - again - being in the end on the loosing side, against "personas" who now probably rule the world with help of / through hidden powers - and again spiritual / energetic aggression to seal our spiritual abilities repeated, this time on the Earth
There were more than that, but they possibly might state something about what is really going on...

Honestly, I would not call R. Monroe's astral journeys a serious after-life research. He was excited with discovering OBEs and the fact that there is a non-physical world out there, and his books I view as a report from those journeys. More serious study was done by M. Newton, who - to his surprise, as he claims - discovered a world of life-betwen-lives, i.e. after life. I read all of his books as well, I didn't find any direct confirmation to my suspicion, but it confirms that the judgement made on us after-life is actual (other beings, seemingly advanced, spiritually and psychologically manipulating us in getting to the point where we are judge ourselves as being "wrong" and need to re-incarnate).

So in brief, my conclusion is that we should stay distant, calm and focus on spirit - our true core, not on external in making any judgements or "needs". This refers to both, before-death life and after-life life.

EDIT: hmm interesting numerology, a coincidence? the message has been sent at 02:22 p.m. of my time zone, in 02.02 day of 2020 year.

One note here to explain: I think there is more, much more to Earth than being actually a prison, than it was supposed to be originally.

[Antares]

Found also some unexpected confirmation from "The Edgar Cayce Primer" book:

...the soul is judged by choices...

The readings say that there is soul entrapment throughout the universe... [but] no matter how far astray we may go, there still remains within us the pattern of and the link to perfection...

Remember, the soul not only bears [Akashic] records of the individual, but it is also an energy pattern. The emanations from the records of the soul quickly permeate every cell of the physical body and it thus becomes truly and uniquely an appropriate expression of that soul...

However, the book denies the popular thesis that we have simultanous incarnations - "one soul for every body, and one body for every soul incarnate in the earth."

[Sinera]

I also read Newton's books and I always see the common things and not the differences, so I see a lot of commonalities between his work and that of Monroe et. al.

Note that all you state about the prison planet meme is an interpretation. It can all be influenced or formed by pre-existing belief systems we hold and a kind of extrapolation or projection from our human state to the nonphysical. So I am not sure if the esoteric saying of 'as above so below' is really accurate here.

It might be a prison for the human avatar but that does not mean that you are/were forced to come here (including the amnesia which is part of the ruleset in this game). Our Higher Self / Oversoul might have a complete different overview (another term by Monroe) and it might be viewed as a kind of 'game' (maybe for educational purpose, hence the "Earth school" model which is also proposed by M. Newton and many others).

The real YOU is not the avatar (incarnate human). The real YOU is the guy behind the computer playing the virtual reality game using the avatar. Each game played is a 'field trip' incarnation. You (the real You) can maybe decide yourself if you start another game level of the same game or try another game (= incarnate in another planet/dimension) or not play at all (stay with Source).

[Antares]

I think people want to believe that things are as they preferred to, and as they were told. This is something common to human society, they typically don't want to consider a notion that things might be different from what they used to treat as a "comfortable constant".

I actually don't go the paradigm of "seeing more commons than differences" being a serious argument. I must admit that I also don't believe the M. Newton's research, regardless his good intents. This is due to the fact that: 1. he was forbidden to get a lot of information 2. behaviour of some guides 3. is only a report from people under hypnosis 4. uncertainity to whom he talked to 5. manipulations.

This is just really a beginning of any serious research. We cannot assume that what we are told is all truth... and what ancients were told was truth either.

The "loosh" concept actually supports the idea of things being different than the societies were told, including missing points in the M. Newton research.

Note that all you state about the prison planet meme is an interpretation

Not an interpretation, I don't stick to that, it's misunderstanding. I treat it as a serious but very likely suspicion, as I wrote. So I keep mind open, and not stick to common beliefs.

[Sinera]

I actually don't go the paradigm of "seeing more commons than differences" being a serious argument.

Not meant as an argument really. Just explaining my more positive approach and where I am coming from.

Moreover, seeing it it all negative and conspiracy-like is not an argument either but just a kind of 'mindset'.

Both mindsets are justified to some degree but that's why I think the best approach is somewhere in the middle.

Not believing everything we are told and apply open-minded scepticism towards both sides (the overtly good and the overtly bad stories / interpretations / opinions / beliefs) seems best to me - including gathering one's own experiences (via AP, hypnosis, whatever) but we should treat them the same critical way when we later analyse it and form our current beliefs around them.

After all we could speculate endlessly about this, so 'argueing' isn't really the case here because we cannot prove it one way or the other, honestly.

[Antares]

we cannot prove it one way or the other, honestly

Exactly. I treat this thread purely as a place to put some stuff like that: uncommon exceptions to common beliefs which may shine more light into after-life and how really is it. No argumentation intended.

We cannot prove anything, hence common beliefs should not be as common as they currently are, I think. Therefore some more balance to overall convinctions is really needed.

Where such "common" approach comes from?

I think it is a result of the system of education (trained way of approaching "serious things" like researching the universe - it is just one way, but people go with the "scientific" paradigms like it was the only possible and justified way): presenting one (scientific) monotholitic system of beliefs. As you pointed out, it is not the best way, nor an objective one as well. (In short, science is not as objective as it is supposed to be).

seeing it it all negative and conspiracy-like is not an argument either but just a kind of 'mindset'

Assuming that all there is loving and perfect (typical new age, but also common to religious, beliefs), and you may expect only warmly openned "arms" after your physical death is even worse, I believe It closes your mind and leads to potential pitfalls. In fact R. Monroe's and other OBE researchers' journeys actually support the idea that we are prone to meet what we expect after physical death. So once more, balancing and keeping neutral (rather than negative or positive) mental attitude is required, and as such, only an objective - universally, truly "scientifically" oriented - mental approach could face the truth without illusions where your mind creations affect your non-physical senses reception.
I also find using the "conspiracy" term very misleading, suggesting that something is somehow inappropriate, thus leading (unconsciously) to sticking to common beliefs, typically. Therefore I avoid the "conspiracy" term at all costs, not treating it as a classifying way of anything, in order to not close some doors of research.

[olyris]

Interesting dilemma... connect three or connect four... three is much more stable.

I would suggest that alchemy is the only connect four that can work, will only work when three are attained seamlessly. The spiritual practice being 1. recognising the philophers stone (connect 3), 2. turning lead into gold (inherit from connect four.

[Antares]

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The round part (which can be actually removed from the remaining part) of the Ankh cross is consciousness, the universal creative power. As the symbol of circle denotes, it is infinite, has not beginning and end, yet it creates all - also finite - things. It created 1 (tai-chi), 2 (yang and yin), 3 (trinity), and 10000 other things.

Maybe a better name would be "the source" - when you connect the source (of substance - of everything), you create. Then you realize you are the creator. When done this on all of the levels - from the body level / point (Malkuth, the kingdom), through love and awareness, you are multi-dimensional god - just like Ra / Re (and pharaohs who were going this path). You (Re-)create yourself - eternally. No other escape from being creator - except creating illusion of not being a creator (Ra / Re), i.e. denying your super-consciousness inherent in yourself.

[Chrysalis]

Have you read any of Jane Robert's Seth Speaks? or her Oversoul 7 Trilogy which is based on the Seth material? The trilogy is about this Oversoul named 7 who has his own mentor to help him learn and evolve and at the same time he has these other souls that are incarnate on the Earth plane at various time periods that he connects to while they sleep to teach them. But what 7 doesn't really realize until later towards the end of the series is that each of these souls on Earth are an aspect of himself and that he's learning just as much from them as they are from him. One of the souls is an old woman named Birdie, who lived a long life and even traveled the country in an RV as an old woman with her boyfriend who was 20 years younger, has crossed over. She spends some time on the astral plane doing things as a young woman that she had been unable to do for a while and then she goes to search for Christ. She finds him at the Gods Retirement Home. She learns a lot and if I remember correctly (the last time I reread it was 23 years ago) she learned that the gods are a created human construct. After spending time in the astral planes and generally driving 7 crazy she decides to reincarnate as female againl to a farm girl and a painter (I think in Hungaria?) but this time 100 or so years in the past from her last incarnation which was in the 20th century. Her father is one of 7 students too.

The books are very entertaining and thought provoking. I tried reading the Seth Speaks and honestly, I found Seth too pompous and a bit of a douche. But I found Oversoul 7 to be the exact opposite. The books cover reincarnation and the idea that each soul decides whether to reincarnate or not and what challenges would be presented to them each time. Each reincarnation is a learning opportunity for the soul to grow and evolve but the soul decides each time.