This forum is migrating and things are not working as they should. There is a thread in the announcements section.Originally Posted by Jos bos
They're graduations of the same thing- you just begin to get into trance with A, and deepen it with B. I believe that the frequencies are a bit lower as you go.anyhow.. you mentioned that the purpose of condition A is to relax, as far I know the goal of condition A is to enter into the 'mind awake body asleep state' and very importantly the person should be able to stay indefinitely in that sate, while keeping ones attention and focus on a certain thing. Condition B is similar but then the person should not keep ones attention on anything but just looking at the blackness behind his/her eyes.
If I remember correctly each CD is of a fixed duration, so I wouldn't go any longer, unless you don't feel you've achieved the state you're aiming for. Indefinitely is an ideal thing, in reality it's about an hour. Gurus and adepts are able to meditate for longer periods of time, but this is not what we're doing here- just trying to get you to a deep enough trance that you go into a transitional state.One of the parts that really confuse me is the word "indefinitely" i mean true indefinitely can not occur right? A person can't be laying in his bed in that state for weeks.., Do you know a duration which i should aim for? to know if I have succeeded/reached the goal of the exercises. 1h/3h ect....
Some people are in trance more than others when they don't have a lot of sensory stimulation- some people might fall into trance in a few minutes, for (most) others it takes longer. Babies are in trance most of the time, while adults don't. If you're one of those people that sit down to take a 10 minute break and starts seeing visions or hearing stuff in your head, you might be a fast trancer.What does fast trancer mean? I want to know more about this strength or weakness to know how to navigate that.
Nope. Sleep is losing consciousness, staying with your mind awake while your body goes to sleep is what you want to do.Thank you very much about your suggestion that I might to tired to practice at night, I just thought i need it to do these exercises when I'm tired or sleepy.
It's been many many years since I did some of the Gateway series, but if I remember correctly, the series is longer, and its purpose is getting you comfortable with trance, familiarizing you with these states. It takes a while to get to the deep trance, and the Gateway series just does this- I would equate it to going all the way into the deepest trance, and taking a while to get there, but not doing anything else. (now I have to remember the focus levels- you probably get to a focus 27 eventually, but don't go any deeper.)I'm also have the entire Gateway series, but was put off by the earlier exercises, how compatible is the Gateway series compared to the Journey out of Body files? And by that I mean especially the completion of condition C, when the person can enter into a deep altered state yet feeling fully rested and refreshed...
Which focus level is that from the gateway series? otherwise I might pick up the Gateway series and work with them as there is more guidance for the practitioner...
When you do the JOOB, Condition A to C basically take you through to the same focus levels, but with Condition D you learn to do an exit technique when you're at the right state having the right symptoms. Or so is what I remember. When Robert teaches his courses using the JOOB series he incorporates energy body loosening and exit techniques into the end of the routine, putting Condition D on a loop to give you time to get to the right spot before trying an exit.
Or it's what I remember, other Gateway program graduates might have a different experience.
Again thank you very much for you information, I finally found a person that can walk me through these files
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