HELP WITH NEW!!!

[coldfire]

because I don't feel its right, how is this going to help me!? I need to know if its working. I already believe in these things though because my dad was in a near death state and almost died on the table and he was floating outside his body he said and he could hear the doc's and the medics in the ambulance clearly. And also my cousin Jacob claims that 1 time he felt being ripped from his body then he was outside of it floating then he passed through a wall and got excited and then it ended. Basically how do i know if im stimulating the minor chakras correctly? how do i know im not doing something wrong? i dont want to waste valuable time then find out ive been doing it wrong for a long time and this seems to... too easy and.. i dont think its going to work the way im doing it.

[CFTraveler]

Since there's no possibility that any of us can convince you that the sensations that you feel are what they are supposed to be, here's Robert's own words. But if you insist that it 'can't be right' and 'it won't work' please be aware that you are creating your own reality.

Energy movements are felt with a variety of predictable sensations, including warmth, tingling, heaviness, tightness, bone deep tickling and buzzing.

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=18

It is a big but natural mistake, to measure energetic flow into the energy body, by the strength of sensations experienced. Always keep in mind, that energy movement sensations will always steadily decrease, as blockages are cleared and energetic resistance is reduced. Sensations must be expected to steadily reduce, and this must be looked upon as a sign of real progress. On that same note, some people can expect to feel only very mild energy movement sensations, even in the early days of learning the NEW system. This can be caused by them having naturally more well-developed energy body circuitry than average. Some energy movement sensation will, however, always be experienced unless acute and widespread energy body inactivity is present. My bio-energetic research shows this is unusual, and a generally unhealthy sign.

http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.as ... enceID=707

[coldfire]

Since there's no possibility that any of us can convince you that the sensations that you feel are what they are supposed to be

Sure? ahhh.

Robert Bruce wrote:

Energy movements are felt with a variety of predictable sensations, including warmth, tingling, heaviness, tightness, bone deep tickling and buzzing.

Thats what bugs me! What I described isn't close to any of these! >.<

This can be caused by them having naturally more well-developed energy body circuitry than average.

But i dont think i have that, if I did I would be able to more easily project, which I have tried many times and it should have worked if I have more energy, right?

[CFTraveler]

The 'nerve feeling the blood pumping' feeling you described sounds suspiciously like the tingling/ buzzing he describes. In my experience (and only in feet and hands) it feels like a pump/buzzing.

As to Astral Projection, it takes more than energy to have the experience, it also takes awareness, that is the ability to go into a deep enough trance to have body asleep/mind awake. The quality of the experience has something to do with energy (and duration) but we all have energy bodies, and our natural capacity for moving and storing it is different in everyone. There are people that never do e-work and others that do it and don't realize it, because they are not concentrated on the feedback, and project anyway.

So yes, energy cultivation is important especially for an RTZ OBE, but projection happens whether you are aware of it or whether you're not, and what you are doing is trying to be awake for the event. But for the most part and for most people, your body has to go to sleep, and this is the hardest trick of all, which is why Robert also teaches relaxation, mind-taming and trance techniques (and energy work can be used as a mind taming technique but it is not recommended at night when you want to sleep) before getting to the exit technique.

So it's not as simple as doing energy work, but energy work is helpful for it and other things too.

And sorry if I was rough on you- I was trying to get you out of the "I can't!" mode you seemed to be in. The mom in me came out.

[coldfire]

So, what my next task would be to do since i already easily can move mba through my body, would be to try the new trick i just developed which seems to work better then using a pencil or fingernails would be use that in a swirling motion on the chakras that RB says to stimulate and ill be good to go right? or wut... (and in case your going to ask what the trick is,

I also developed something while thinking about this, is it anygood for anything; I kind of move my focus into a sphere from all of whatever i was focusing on, a tiny spehere like the 1/3 the size of the last bone in your pinky finger, which intensifies it because its alot of focus (or the mind generates that illusion. XD) into one tiny sphere. Then I move the sphere around and i can feel it kind of tickle where i move it... Any good??

[CFTraveler]

How long have you been doing secondary centers?

[coldfire]

I dono, not at all i think. all ive been doing is moving my awareness through my body by focusing on an area. So i haven't at all iguess.

[coldfire]

hey does this forum has some kind of chat? or do you have AIM?

[Korpo]

Body awareness means being aware of your body. Feeling the blood vessels transport blood is good body awareness. Be glad of that. It helps.

When your nerves become aware of something and you focus your mind on it, energy flows there. Feeling is a function of awareness, and awareness IS energy. Where the mind goes, the energy follows. Where the energy goes, the blood follows.

Now you can work on applying the energy work techniques Robert describes for cleansing (NEW Brush, NEW Sponge) and stimulating (NEW Energy Bounce) the energy body, thereby increasing energy levels and energy flow, and possibly dream recall, overall health and likeliness of OBE.

What you describe about the small energy ball is identical to Robert's technique of bouncing balls of energy, for example described in his book "Energy Work".

Good success,
Oliver

[CFTraveler]

I dono, not at all i think. all ive been doing is moving my awareness through my body by focusing on an area. So i haven't at all iguess.

Then I suggest a lot more reading. Secondary centers is generally arms & legs, body in general. But you should familiarize yourself with all the techniques.
These are all free, and IMO necessary:
NEW Tutorials: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=18
This will essentially explain all about energy work and why do it a certain way.
Treatise on Astral Projection
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65
Information about what it is, what it isn't, & what to do.
Schedule by Brian Mercer:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.as ... enceID=265
This will give you a day-to day guideline to follow using the information you will have learned when you read the other links I gave you.

I no longer have MSN, and the forum at this time doesn't support a chat system. However, we will be changing systems so maybe it will be possible in the future.
Happy reading, CF.