I asked for help a while back.

[almightyzentaco]

A demon showed up when you read my old posts?

I have a few questions then. Would you say reading my posts that you get a bad vibe from me?
Or that you have an instinctive desire to simply not get involved?

The reason I dismissed the other fellows advice is because it wasn't useful. I myself am "in a stranglehold", and I do my absolute best to not mess with other people's energy. In fact, I don't like having other people's energy in my body, and prefer a very clean personal space to work from spiritually. I also am a strong believer in the sanctity of an individual's personal space.

So, if any of these grievances are indeed happening, it is not somthing I am doing on purpose, and it is not based on any hidden desire. Because all I really want is to be left alone and to leave other people alone. I've had these unpleasant experiences thrust upon me.

And the fact that people around me are now being affected is causing me a great deal of mental anguish.

[Alienor]

Would you say reading my posts that you get a bad vibe from me?
Or that you have an instinctive desire to simply not get involved?

I would say, that you have a standing pact with a demon. In other words, at some point you did make a contract with a demon. That can have happened in a past life, in any case your soul is bound to that demon now. When reading your posts, I did attract the demons attention and so it did show up at my home.

Maybe it will help, to reread my last post. If need be, I will try to explain what I wrote in a different way.

[Palehorse Redivivus]

Just wanted to toss in thar, AZT -- don't let the stigma of something like a "demonic pact" and the way it sounds, put you off the idea that this may be exactly what's going on.

There are a ton of different ways this can happen, and it pretty much always involves "agreeing" to something under duress, deception or both, and the agreement more than likely was not made by your conscious mind which can weigh options, think critically and make an informed decision. If you've ever (in any lifetime) been a fan of any of the religions, paradigms and/or practices that encourage downplaying or eroding one's personal identity (and who hasn't?), that can act as an open invitation for things like this (which is why I can sometimes seem militantly against those). "Contracts" and "agreements" of all sorts are installed as subconscious programming and maintained in this way, with all sorts of shady spins on the concept of "permission."

How that works is that it takes the part of yourself capable of self-direction and well suited for decision-making out of the equation, and thus distributes that authority to all parts of yourself without distinction whether they're capable of it or not. So hypothetically, opportunistic critter comes along, finds an aspect of you that's about as conscious as the average non-lucid dream, and pulls the equivalent of holding up a lollypop and convincing a three year old to sign a 10,000 page legal document which is designed to affect and take over the whole Self.

If this is what's going on, and it's probably going to create resistance to cultivating a strong sense of self and centralizing your own authority at this stage, one thing I've found extremely helpful for things like this is meditating on the concept / archetype of Justice (you might look up the card from a standard tarot deck and use the image and its vibe) and voiding all contracts that were instituted via force and fraud that way. More than likely you or some aspect of yourself is holding a "contract" in the form of a set of programming that ties you to this entity and causes various other effects... this can begin nullifying said programming so you can gain momentum against the critter and push it and its influence out of your space. Reaching for the help of any major figures you feel an affinity for can also be helpful; the archangel Michael is specifically associated with Justice for instance IIRC, though I recommend using the help of such figures to get back on your feet so to speak, and in a position to cultivate your own authority, rather than continually relying on someone else's.

[Alienor]

Thank you Palehorse!

And as you mentioned already Archangel Michael. He notified me, that it is not enough to ask the angels for cord cutting (or such), as that contract most likely is too well made (demons can be like lawyers), but it would be necessary to find out the contents of that contract - which I recommended the regression therapy.

But what you described might weaken the demon enough, to get a undisturbed therapy session.

And yes, there are other entities, which also jump in to those "opportunities" you mentioned and make similar contracts.

[almightyzentaco]

To be honest with you, this idea of demonic contracts doesn't really fit in with anything I've found over the years.

A contract assumes there is a third party who can enforce the contract if either party doesn't meet their part of the deal. I've never seen anything like this ever occur.

In my experience there is no such legality in spirituality. It's more along the lines of nature. You have have two parties in a violent interchange, and the outcome depends soley on mental and spiritual strengths, finding weakness in the oppositions system, ect.

A demon attacks a person more like a virus trying to break through an immune system. The only defense is strength of mind and spirit, and also the strength of the spirits one is close to, and whom might come to one's aid. And just like in nature, spirits can be injured or even destroyed.

So I must say, I've never seen any spiritual form of legal attack or defense. I'm not so sure I believe it.

[Tutor]

To be honest with you, this idea of demonic contracts doesn't really fit in with anything I've found over the years.

A contract assumes there is a third party who can enforce the contract if either party doesn't meet their part of the deal. I've never seen anything like this ever occur.

In my experience there is no such legality in spirituality. It's more along the lines of nature. You have have two parties in a violent interchange, and the outcome depends soley on mental and spiritual strengths, finding weakness in the oppositions system, ect.

A demon attacks a person more like a virus trying to break through an immune system. The only defense is strength of mind and spirit, and also the strength of the spirits one is close to, and whom might come to one's aid. And just like in nature, spirits can be injured or even destroyed.

So I must say, I've never seen any spiritual form of legal attack or defense. I'm not so sure I believe it.

i agree. spirit is neither bound or unbound, it just is....free

but, herein folks are dealing with their thoughts (as are both you and myself), where thoughts are either bound or unbound, constructing and deconstructing faster than the speed of light.

a fine line indeed, but a line to be respected, for spirit freely appointed the line in it's place, thoughtfully so.

does one have to see for it to be? there ya go..., the power of personal thoughts. both empowering and disempowering. yet, in the end we neutrally query in pretty much what is our overall powerlessness to begin with, with anything beyond that having been illusion/delusion at best/worst.

the things i dont believe I am thankful for. the things i do believe and all the opinions attached to them i often pray for release from. go figure, this thing called believing, it changes as the wind's blowing.

i have faith that it is all working its way out, and when its all out we will be free of it all, and we may rest from all the working.

ain't my field, i just work in it till its overall time is finished. i reckon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhxQSOvn ... re=related

[Palehorse Redivivus]

To be honest with you, this idea of demonic contracts doesn't really fit in with anything I've found over the years.

A contract assumes there is a third party who can enforce the contract if either party doesn't meet their part of the deal. I've never seen anything like this ever occur.

In my experience there is no such legality in spirituality. It's more along the lines of nature. You have have two parties in a violent interchange, and the outcome depends soley on mental and spiritual strengths, finding weakness in the oppositions system, ect.

A demon attacks a person more like a virus trying to break through an immune system. The only defense is strength of mind and spirit, and also the strength of the spirits one is close to, and whom might come to one's aid. And just like in nature, spirits can be injured or even destroyed.

So I must say, I've never seen any spiritual form of legal attack or defense. I'm not so sure I believe it.

In my experience, things like "legal contract" and such shouldn't be taken so literally where interference is concerned. It seems to be more that the contract IS the enforcer -- i.e. "consent" is attained via some sort of shady means, and the programming for the contract is inserted into your system. It then basically hijacks your energy system very similar to a virus, and aligns it such that your own system is coerced into inflicting the terms of the contract on yourself.

Contracts, vows, promises and pacts of all sorts seem to have thoughtforms attached that will attempt to enforce themselves similarly. I had a similar experience with this idea of a "soul contract" where we supposedly "agree" to have various forms of suffering inflicted on us "for our own good." Same story there; "consent" was probably obtained between lives by something appearing authoritative and benevolent, which installed programming designed to modify one's energy and attract events that produce suffering and feed the entity.

In any case I used to hold similar views until relatively recently; that the nonphysical basically held to "the law of the jungle" and not much more. By default, this seems to be true. However, I've also found that even that is a law of sorts, one you've consented to, and one you could hypothetically change to impose a more developed concept of justice in your own sphere, and that will hold. Something could still hypothetically steamroll your defenses if it wanted to, but on the plus side, this tends to re-align your sphere with your concept of justice, and attract similarly aligned beings in order to make sure it's enforced and sustainable, so steamrolling and brute coercion gets a lot more difficult for offending parties. It's also useful for removing crappy contract programming; once you've adopted a basic concept of justice designed to protect against malicious force and fraud for instance, you can go through your chakras, intending that all programming inconsistent with that be cleared away.

The overall idea is to give your own system, and your allies, a baseline that can be referred to and enforced. Right now you're operating with the assumption that anything capable of more coercive force or cunning deception than you're able to defend against, can and should have its way with you -- so something has, and for someone to help you with that would violate the law of the jungle, and thus your free will. There will *always* be something bigger, stronger and capable of greater deception; the whole point of developing a system of justice is to counteract the tendency toward tyranny once beings have evolved beyond being driven by pure animalistic instinct (and the fact that we share space with beings who still operate that way).

[Korpo]

I would agree to an extent.

I'd say that not taking proper care of oneself can attract all kinds of negative experiences until one does. This includes psychic protection, and being clear about things you are not willing to submit to.

It's like finding the limit in every activity - if you think giving is the highest value without any limit, you will find and attract someone who will relentlessly take. Until you see that there needs to be a limit, possibly after having exhausted yourself. This does not invalidate the concept of giving to others in general, but it shows that there are many sensible limits to it - especially when somebody takes so much that it becomes more than you can give.

You could call this unenjoyable experience a contract. Because of having no concept of protecting yourself and your needs when giving you would kind of invite somebody to abuse that. The invitation is implicit, and a dynamic is formed and will persist until one party breaks it. This kind of forces you to learn self-protection, and if you develop the awareness of protecting your own needs and act out of that awareness you are no longer really susceptible to such contracts, in my opinion.

The answer in the example I mentioned is not not giving. The answer would be more like balancing your willingness to benefit others with wanting to benefit yourself and to never sacrifice your most basic needs. Somebody who has found this balance could give without exhausting himself, and if somebody tries to take advantage of that react accordingly.

I'd say this involves staying in touch with your own value. When you value yourself, when you love yourself, you will automatically defend yourself apropriately. As you would protect a person you love, as a mother defends her child or each in a couple another, one would naturally protect oneself. If you love yourself, if you value yourself truly, you will not stand for someone to abuse or mistreat yourself. If you love yourself like you would love another, you would give yourself the protection you would extend to yourself the protection, care and compassion a lot of people seem only willing to give others.

I think this kind of self-valuation is important in finding the balance I mentioned, and also is an important form of protection.

Take care,
Oliver

[almightyzentaco]

Hello again.

Recently I've started feeling as if something has been using my energy to attack other people. I believe something has cut me off from alot of my energy and is using it to attack people.
Is there anyone here who is skilled enough to verify this or at least help me put my mind at ease?