Subconsciousness weakness vs. consciousness power

[Antares]

The subconscious is the giant sea in which the conscious mind only is adrift. The flotsam does not tell the sea where to go, nor does the iceberg. In the end both are adrift, exposed to forces beyond their control, and always will be. A unity with the subconscious can come from accepting that condition in my experience. Willpower has merit but if only willpower is applied it will always be limited.

Ok, I think that it cannot be explained better way as you do. Maybe I would not mistake the subconscious with something that ancient Egyptians described as Nut (and worshipped by masses as goddess) - the big cosmic "ocean", probably the astral realms from my understanding - i.e. actually the whole universe as we see it. There is a significant distinction between the sea and the waters that are part of you: the latter 'stays' with you, while the former - does not.

According to ancient cosmology, you 'consist' of 4 elements: fire, water, air and earth. They symbolically reperesent your inner self. Water is mostly related to subconscious part, fire - to conscious will. They are not in equal amount in every person, but they are all existent, and - I believe - can be integrated. See more about the related Egyptian mythology below.

But "limited" is indeed the interesting key point - a very philosophical essentially. I am working however on having a practical solution of utilizing this observation - not as an ultimate 'answer', but as a current mean for the proper integration.

The will from my view is like a point coming from very deep level - which is beyond anything that we can 'see': this means all the levels of the universe (astral, mental, spiritual...), perhaps should be compared to the tao point. I'm not talking about 'will' of ego here.

You don't have to accept it as true or make it your own, but only explore "What if this were true?" Your own sense of the truth will eventually lead you as to whether the belief is useful to you or not. So it is merely a suggestion, something you try on for size, and definitely not meant to replace your own judgment on the matter. In the end it is your process of personal evolution, your existence, and you live with the consequences.

Again, I cannot find a way how it could be better explained. And indeed, these are we responsible for the consequences - we can and should rely on ourselves in the end. That's why, I believe, integration is so important, and making divisions between conscious and subconscious, or this level or that level, may be only temporary. The essential goal of alchemy and astrology - in practical sense - was to combine the Sun with the Moon (more on this below). It makes a lot of sense in this light of matters.

hold this belief for the sake of an "What if" experiment, see if your dreams change. See if your dreams try to guide you.

To be honest, to me it's more complicated than that. Subconscious (dreams included) is not as simple and straightforward, it won't go the straight line and do exactly what is told, which BTW you stated before as well. Programming dreams may be one way, but at this point I must say that my intuition works better, and my dreams are under the influence of not necesserily friendly forces - as, as you say, there is always something "good" and "bad" (even if implied only) out there. That's why I started this thread: to put attention on how subconsciousness can be influenced and its nature utilized to affect you - as a sort of weapon in fact.

It should be realized, otherwise - you are unconscious 'victim'. This fact is essentially probably about this whole "evolution" which you mentioned.

C. G. Jung was stating, I believe, that unconscious is constantly 'sapped' by the other forces - it's the nature of subconscious. However, to state that it is a static - not dynamic - situation is like putting limitations on yourself and what you can achieve. The dynamic force - yang (symbolized by the Sun and the consciousness) - is always influencing it as well. This is the essence of whole astrology, alchemy and taoism, I believe, on the practical level.

integration happens by bringing balance into things. Observing seemingly disparate things may create insight where the balance lies. Unlike some do believe it is not always the middle, but in broad terms it is often on a continuum. To use an oversimplified analogy: A scale rotating on a pivot does not always balance "in the middle." It balances depending on the weight on each side and the length of each arm. Balance then exists somewhere in every pair but requires some fiddling, experimenting, observing, understanding, and resolving. (Balancing pairs can in turn lead to more integration, to find balance in all things. This can lead to a greater capability to absorb and understand.)

Yes, that's really interesting point. Balance can be found everywhere, at any point. The same notion and suggestion is found in Ayurveda - as so-called doshas and prakriti are different and unique for everyone.

Illusion and clarity to me are not opposites in the sense of polar opposites. Illusion is the absence of clarity. Once clarity is achieved, illusion is absent. Within any given area they do not turn into each other. The expansion of clarity dispels the other. Light does not change into darkness. There is either light or no light, but illumination and darkness are results of the presence and absence of light, darkness has no inherent nature. It is a subtle distinction. But it makes a fundamental difference: In balanced opposites opting for one to the exclusion of the other brings imbalance. But one does not err in aiming to be more clear. You do not fall back into ignorance. You do however rise to a new level and will have to refine clarity further.

It's like saying that yang is not opposite to yin, but one expels another.
Remaining in the field of conscious / subconscious, I'll refer again to the Sun and the Moon symbols: they are sides of the same coin, one residing in darkness, the other in (of) light. Human being has both. You do not allow your subconscious decide about your conscious self - unless you want to be like a leaf on wind. That's why you have been given the tools that maintain your integrity in the ocean of Apopis (chaos). They have been called by the ancient Egyptian priests: Heka, Sia, and Hu, and the symbol of Ra represents your consciousness and will.

These are the tools that allow you to travel through the oceans (Nut) and maintain your integrity against the chaotic waters (Apopis), which has the infinite ultimate point beyond the universe itself (Tao). These are IMHO very good symbols that refer to what is going on on the deeper levels of our beings.

I have a feeling recently that I am on the threshold of my research of discovering something really profound - the practical answer as a solution to all of that what I wrote before. Still work is in progress.