Defectrons obe journal

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Ok, here's the remade version of my obe journal. Below are posts from the old one copied from the old forum. I'll make it clear where the new ones begin when I post them.

by defectron on Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:51 am

EDIT: Hey everyone this is my new obe journal. Before any newbies take a look at it here's a bit of advice, don't take anything I say in my earlier projections to heart as I often had a wrong idea of what was going on in those. Also in one of the areas on the second page where I compiled some projections I posted a link to kurt lelands dream topic, I would recommend you take a look there as alot of insights to these are posted there
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My first intentional astral projection

Oh boy looks like the works finnally starting to pay off!

Well I should probably start at the beginning , I woke up in the early morning and went back to sleep. After doing so I had the first lucid dream I had in awhile. In the beginning of the dream I forget exactly what I was doing, but it went lucid when some sort of fairy looking creature resembling a bee girl flew by and wnet out a door that looked like a gateway to another world. At this point it was lucid and I could control things so I also turned into a female fairy looking creature and chased after her (I'm actually a guy) anyway as I was chasing her flying about through this other world I realize "Hey this is a dream, I should try projecting". As tempting as it was to keep chasing her I stopped and willed myself to go back to my body, the dream world faded and I felt myself being yanked into my body which was an odd sort of sensation. This next part I only remembered about five minutes after I got up. After getting yanked back in I managed to sit back up coming out of my body, the room was light exactly as it should be at that time of day, didn't get a chance to really look around though. This was really odd, because it felt like my regular physical body but more tingly, not as much as sleep parlysis, but more then when I do energy stimulation. I believe Whitly Streiber described something like this in an interview he did with Robert Bruce where what he thought was something that happened to his physical body was actually his astral. Anyway I think I probably got sucked back in again here because that's the last I remember of it.
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Re: My first intentional astral projection
by Neil Templar on Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:08 pm

cool.
congrats!


Re: My first intentional astral projection
by CFTraveler on Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:21 pm

Ditto. Maybe you should change your name to 'perfectron'.


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Re: My first intentional astral projection
by baalixan on Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:28 am

congrats. it can be alot of work, but it can be fun, not to mention other benifits you get along the way, and especially when u reach that goal. and it doesn't seem so much like work when u are enjoying it keep it up

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Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by defectron on Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:43 am

Tonight I made some more attempts to astral project but so many dream elements got mixed in I though I should post it here. I am really not sure about what happened here, was this all just dream or did I manage to project in some way and if so what happened here?

It started out after I had woken up somewhat early in the morning and went back to bed. I had a dream that I met some woman who was one of those reptoids that icke always goes on about in his conspiracy books and she agreed to let me film her shape shifting so as I was going home to get a camera I realized this was a dream. So once again I willed myself back to my body and felt the same snapping back into my body sensation I got last time. Initially I had alot of trouble coming out because I kept getting yanked back in. The below is actually several projections or lucid dreams or whatever since I would keep getting pulled in throughout this experience and coming back out again.

Eventually I got back out and stayed out by rolling out and sorta managing to pull myself towards the door as my body was still trying to yank me back in. I mustve rolled out of there at least seven times that night, I'll get more into that later. Now here's where the dream elements come in, I was able to interact with the objects in the house, many of which don't exist in real life the time this didn't seem like a big deal though, maybe that was just dream logic at work. I'm not talking small reality fluctuations either as there was a room with a christmas tree and also some sorta small wearhouse connected tot he back of the house. The people still couldn't see me though. Anyway after getting out I tried several times trying to summon a gateway to the akashic record. It never appeared to my dissapointment as that's one of my motives for trying to astral project. Next i just tried asking and seeing if anything came to me. I wasn't entirely sure what to ask about right out of the blue so I picked a random topic I was curious about remembering the dream I had earlier. Now keep in mind this may not be the records that answered me as this seemed more like a lucid dream then a real projection, and also the answers were pretty much in line with what I already believe. The question I asked was "are reptoids real? and are they visiting us?" the answer I got was yes then I asked if they were good or bad and the answer i got was "both" I then asked if the storys were true about our politicians actually being these things and I got a no, though it also kinda gave a feeling they might have some sorta influence on them. I was about to ask about the shuar shape shifting technique I read about in John perkins shape shifting book but then got pulled back again. Not for long though as I tried rolling back out again. Anyway I decided I would try to shape shift my body into something else. I decided to try something small at first before completely changing. So I slowly grew some talons on all of my fingers, but this was kinda tricky cuz theyed just morph back to my regular hands when I turned my attention away from them. At some point I got pulled back into my body again but then rolled back out once more. This time I went outside, I then flew over to the place I work at. One thing is it was lighter then it should have been this time of day like it was the afternoon. Flying over there was quite an experience though as I even remember feeling the wind on my face, once again this is another reason why I think its a lucid dream as I shouldnt have felt that if it was just a straight up projection. When I got there, the place also looked different then how it is in real life. There was some sort of add on store that I was selling some sort of stuff, forget what exactly. Anyway of my three jobs I don't much care for this one so I used my lucid dream powers to blast a great big hole in the wall of the building. I then went over and took a look at a small fan, the reason being is I could feel myself starting to go back and I figured maybe if I picked something to concentrate on I would be able to stay. Well needless to say that fan got extremely realisitc, more then real fans. But in the end I got pulled back anyway. I tried coming back out again, this time I was about to try doing a full body shape shift but got pulled back in before I could try to pull it off. I tried to project a couple more times but it seemed to get more difficult to stay out each time. Eventually i gave up and had a dream about eating cookies before i woke up.

Anyway what I think happened is after coming back to my body the first time I actually projected into another lucid dream as there's too many dream elements mixed in, not to mention the fact that alot of the time I tended to operate on dream logic throughout the course of this. How would I go about doing this without having so much dream stuff get mixed into this?
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Re: Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by CFTraveler on Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:16 pm

If you have an exit it's a projection, dream elements notwithstanding. So I think it belongs in the OBE forum.
You see, an astral projection (or projection to the astral) is in the same range as dreams, the difference being of how personal the imagery is.
So dream elements will belong to an astral projection.


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Re: Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by defectron on Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:30 pm

Yeah the exits/entrance's definately felt real like that other time I did it. Here's a few odd things though

Towards the end I was having alot of trouble staying out of my body, almost felt like i was getting alot weaker, what exactly was the deal with that?

Also like the last time I projected this felt pretty physical, but there were a few differences. One is that I didn't feel all tingly like last time. Also I felt pretty light, if I had to describe it, awhile ago I saw an anime called Bakemonogatari, where there was a girl cursed to only weigh five pounds. It felt kinda like that. For example I'd roll out of my body and hit the floor but it didn't really feel like there was much behind the impact.

Anyway I hope this happens more often, dream elements or not it was pretty cool. Just wish I was able to open up the gateway to the akashic records, I'll have to go back to the chapter in astral dynamics and read over that again.

Next time I'll have to pay more attention to what other people are doing in the house and ask them if that was what they were doing when i wake up. In this they were just hanging around the kitchen like they would be at that time in the morning but I didn't really pay attention to what anyone was up to.
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Re: Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by CFTraveler on Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:52 pm

defectron wrote:
Yeah the exits/entrance's definately felt real like that other time I did it. Here's a few odd things though

Towards the end I was having alot of trouble staying out of my body, almost felt like i was getting alot weaker, what exactly was the deal with that?
Either you were naturally waking up or you were running out of energy. This sometimes happens with projections that are long or that involve more than one exit.

Also like the last time I projected this felt pretty physical, but there were a few differences. One is that I didn't feel all tingly like last time. Also I felt pretty light, if I had to describe it, awhile ago I saw an anime called Bakemonogatari, where there was a girl cursed to only weigh five pounds. It felt kinda like that. For example I'd roll out of my body and hit the floor but it didn't really feel like there was much behind the impact.
All exit sensations change the more you project, this is natural. If you went into the astral instead of the etheric then you will feel a difference of the energy body you are using. It sounds to me like you were not in the etheric, but in the astral. The 'further out' or 'higher' (whatever term you prefer, they are interchangeable) the less 'realistic' they will be, because they are more 'psychologically distant' to physical reality.


Next time I'll have to pay more attention to what other people are doing in the house and ask them if that was what they were doing when i wake up. In this they were just hanging around the kitchen like they would be at that time in the morning but I didn't really pay attention to what anyone was up to.
Sure, if you are having an RTZ (etheric projection). With an astral projection there are bound to be more differences.
BTW, congrats on the projection.

New projection experience
by defectron on Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:22 am

Just a little while ago I had a new projection experience. Dunno if this was like the last two I had where I had problems with the projections being contaminated with dream elements, but it felt alot more real then those were, I honestly had trouble determining whether or not this was physical reality or not, I was only able to say for sure it wasn't when I willed myself to float into the air. But yeah I'm getting ahead of myself, best to start at the beginning. The other day I almost had a projection when I realized I was dreaming and came back, but the entry was so sudden it woke me up. Today I tried doing what I did yesterday and got it.

I forget how or why it happened, but I "fell out of bed", a few moments later when i found myself back in bed and awake though I figured I had a breif projection I hadn't caught on because it felt like I had the proper amount of body mass so I didn't notice this til it was too late. I went back asleep and tried again, this time I did project. Like I said before this time felt like the real physical world. I had alot of trouble telling if I was asleep or not until I willed myself to float into the air, this time my room looked how it was supposed to for the most part with the exception of a large bottle in the corner which is where a bag of fireworks should be. Anyway after determining this was a projection, I went out into the hallway and asked for the doorway to the akashic record to appear, it didn't come right away. I remember reading somewhere that a persons named could be like a code to access the record so I tried something a bit different and shouted out "In the name of (my name here) I command you to open the akashic record!" what's odd is that when I was trying to get this to open my voice sounded like a girls voice. Anyway I noticed a triangular sort of area on the ceiling that isn't there in the physical world. It looked like there used to be a cavity there and someone just smacked some plaster over it. I floated up and ripped it off revealing a really messy dingy looking attic, I figured this must be the record so I asked the first question that came to my mind

"Where is the necklace of mysterys?"

if you don't know what I'm talking about watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qi1sB9W ... r_embedded

Thinking back on it, maybe I should have asked another question, but this is the first that came to my mind. I began to look through the attic and picked up a crusty old envelope, on the side of it was a graphical depiction of some shady looking guy, above his head was written "can't do can't" and below it another line "look through here" I was about to look and see what address it was being sent to but I woke up right as I was doing this, as I returned I felt all tingly from the energy liked during the energy stimulation excercises. So was this another dream element contaminated projection? Or was I actually able to get to the real time zone and the akashic record? I honestly don't know since I didn't try to verify anything in this projection. But out of all the ones I've had this is probably the most interesting. I do wonder what the odd message written on the side of the envelope meant, seemed to both be a deterrent but was also inviting me to look anyway?
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:04 am

I had another idea, that perhaps the "can't be can't" line is a clue rather then a warning or deterrent like I initially thought. So I ran it through google and what came up is a Miley cyrus song. The line is apparantly in this line of it

"I can't be saved, I can't be (can't be)"

If my interpretation is right and this was a clue I was meant to investigate, maybe this means that the necklace of mysterys has been destroyed, in other words it can't be saved. Also keep in mind I never listen to her music so I never knew of this line until now.
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Re: New projection experience
by CFTraveler on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:16 am

When I first read your post (late last night, before going to bed) I thought "a rosary"- because the rosary is a string of beads and some sets of prayers are called mysteries. (at least in spanish). So I wasn't sure how to interpret it, because I don't know what your religious background.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:33 am

Well the necklace really has nothing to do with my background, it's an artifact that may have connections to anchient astronauts which until recently belonged to the shaman credo mutwa until it was stolen.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:48 am

I had another projection today, but this one seemed to be another heavily contaminated projection. I spent most of it unsuccesfully trying to get the records to open again. I'm wondering if there's a big difference in the state a person is in between a contaminated and and less contaminated projection that allows them to access it more easily? Any ideas on what those factors might be? I am a bit annoyed though, I had planned to practice changing my astral body to look diffrent the next time I had a contaminated projection since those aren't much good for obtaining information, but I completely forgot to do that this time around.

Anyway regarding what happened in this projection

I was having a lucid dream and came back to my body, odd thing is I rolled out the opposite side I usually do so I sort of had to maneuver my way over my body without getting sucked in. This was kinda difficult, had to work hard to avoid it. After that I made my way back out to the hall, now the contamination part of this is that another story seemed to have been added onto my house , but without a second floor. Also for some reason the air seemed to be rippling as if there was alot of heat around. Anyway I gave a go at opening the records, but nothing came this time, I floated over to the ceiling a treid again but still no luck and ended up waking up after that.

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Had another projection tonight, maybe two. In the first one I rolled out and it was pretty real, almost everything was the same like the first one I described here where I may have found the record. However I was not able to get to it in this one either. I was about to try changing form when I got pulled back. This may be because I had gotten a little too exited about it, but yeah that chance kinda got blown. The only thing different in this projection that I could see was some areas of the ceiling. But then again I didn't have a whole lot of time to look around.

I say maybe two, because I don't remember very clearly if I had an exit in the second one which was pretty contaminated. I did try changing forms in this one with only partial success. I think I may have sabotaged myself here because I did it in front of a mirror. If you think about it, one way or another that would only be hinderence, because if it was a dream or a dream contaminated projection it would not accuratly reflect whats in front of it and if it was a pure projection nothing would be reflecting there at all. One way or another it would only serve to hinder the experience which is largely based on mental perceptions. So I think that's probably what screwed me up that time.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:09 pm

I had some more projections this morning. Earlier I went over and read the part of astral dynamics that talks about the record and it was mentioned that sometimes you need to look for the door, which was what I was doing today when I projected. I kept on getting pulled back before I could really do some good searching. So I tried doing an energy stimulation excercise breifly before projecting back out again, this time I was able to stay out longer. I've got to say the energy flow is alot more noticible in that state. Anyway I did find a very narrow door that isn't there so I tried opening that. It had a back in it so I tried pushing on it and I saw some light on the other side. I almost pushed through but got pulled back again. There's also one other thing that may be a clue to what I was looking for. I forget the exact context in which I found this but I found an envelope somewhere during the projection that had a name on it, the first name was a womans name that ended in an l and the last name was ingram. I think it may have been rachael ingram, the question I wanted to ask the record this time was how to improve my financial situation, so maybe this is a clue to that.
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Re: New projection experience
by CFTraveler on Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:45 pm

The word that came to me when I read your post was 'Engram' or 'Enneagram'. Bless that flow. Anyway, you may want to look that up, it may give you a tool to focus your consciousness.

Re: New projection experience
by Volgerle on Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:17 pm

defectron wrote:
... my voice sounded like a girls voice ...

sorry for just picking this now out of context, but I felt the urge as I just read it and since I am happy someone has had a similar strange experience, therefore...

WELCOME TO THE CLUB.

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=21452&start=0#p135736

did a girl-voice happen more often to you or only just once?
I've got tar on my feet and I can't see. All the BIRDs look down and laugh at me. Clumsy, crawling out of my skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6vOKQFzmgc
Of thoughts and deeds a little BIRD sings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vC22WAJBJw
Old Man: The BIRDs are the keepers of our secret.
Nurse: Come on inside. Looking back is for the BIRDs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0jYHTA1rI

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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:40 pm

Actually I'm not entirely sure, I think thats the only time I really remember "speaking" as the other times I was just trying to will stuff to happen with my thoughts for the most part, then again I may have tried verbalizing some of those times too but I'm not really sure thats the only time I really remember clearly doing that.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:32 pm

This morning I had some very interesting astral projection experiences. I really was not expecting to project today given that I had to ge tup super early to work, most of my projections take place after this time. To my surprise I had three real time projections in a row.

It all started when I think I may or may not have been attacked by something. I had an experience kind of simialer to sleep paralysis. I'm not sure if this is what it was, or if it was something else. In the past whenever I had a sleep paralysis sensation I'd experience pins and needles all over my body. This didn't happen here, I don't actually remember very much of what happened, all I remember was feeling a bad presence nearby and having trouble moving. Whatever it was though, I fought it off. Some people believe that entitys may be responsible for at least some sleep paralysis experiences, I have no idea if one was here or not though. But in any case after I defeated, whatever that was which was bothering me, I realized the state I was in so I tried projecting.

Now I tried doing things a bit different this time, before projecting I did an energy stimulation excercise. When in the theta state, I can sense the energy body alot more clearly, instead of the usual excersises I tried sloshing it back and forth, it felt almost like how one would imagine the ebb and flow of the tides being pushed and pulled by the moon, except within ones body. Anyway after that I rolled out, unlike most of the other projections this wasn't a clumsy exit, I landed on my feet and was ready for action. I knew that if that was an entity that attacked me earlier, it was possible it was still nearby so I was a little wary of my surroundings. I didn't see it though, and somehow I felt that if anything did come my way I would be capable of taking on whatever came, I could feel more raw power surging through me then in any of the other projections. So, I went about business looking for the record. Here's another interesting thing, when I looked in darkened rooms and couldn't see a sort of bright beam of light would shine out of my chest and illuminate whatever it was I was trying to look at. There were not alot of dream elements here, almost everything looked as it should, the only difference up untilt he end being that my turtle was not inside of his tank. I don't know why that's the case because he's there now. I'm kicking myself right now because I didn't think to try to confirm any of these and its so rare I have a clear real time projection to attempt that. Anyway towards the end I went up into that one room where I had my third encounter with the doorway to the akashic record. Sure enough, the anomalous doorway was in the same place it was before. However I was pulled back right before I could enter.

But I wouldn't be deterred that easy, once again I did the tide flow energy stimulation that I can only do effectively while in that state, and then exited again going back to that room and entering the door. Iinside was not the attic like place from the other two times I got through it, but a bathroom with blue wallpaper and a fuzzy blue toilet seat. I then asked the best way to improve my financial sitatuation, when I did this a movie began to play on two flat screen tv's mounted on the wall of the bathroom showing 3d animated fish and 3d animated water. 3d animation is one of my skills as I took graphic design in college and even have a job doing it, though it doesnt pay as much as I'd like. I interpreted this as meaning I should follow through in trying to make something happen using my animation skills. Also an idea came to me to go through with a sort of vague idea I had to make a full cgi composite comic done in the same style as mamoru oshiis movie "Tachiguichi Retsuden". Anyway that's where this projection ended, I'm not sure if the fact that fishes and water were dominant in the movie was a second clue or not. I do have some skills with fluid simulation in animation but its hardly a specialty of mine so I'm not sure it would make sense for it to tell me to try emphasize that aspect of my expertise in trying to land a job, or if there may be some other meaning behind the water and fish imagery.

Once again I was back in my body, but still in the theta state, after doing what I did last time I projected a third time and went back to the room with the anomalous doorway. This time the record looked almost like my room, it was still structured the same as the bathroom version, but it wasn't a bathroom, posters similar to the ones in my room were hanging from the walls and some action figures like mine were there too. In november I'm going to visit hawaii, while there I plan to investigate sightings of the "Minihune" and other mysterys. The minihune is a tribe of magical little people told of in hawaiian folklore, but many people have actually reported seeing these little people and even feeding them. So I asked the record how I could get a lead on the minihune. I looked around the room for anything out of the ordinary which might be a clue. I found three things which may be clues.

1. The most obvious was a taxidermified torso of a miniature man stuck in the upper right hand corner of the rooms ceiling. It's body was clother in what appeared to be woven straw.

2. I found a dvd of a movie I never heard of before called pleasure island, it appeared to be some sort of asian exploitation movie

3. I found a record album with a picture of some black kid with various kanji on his t-shirt, unfortunately ive never been good at remembering kanji so I don't remember what most of them meant.

For the first clue, my guess is that this may be clue to where I might find the minihune or at least a lead, when people reported seeing the minihune, they did not wear straw clothing. I think the straw may be something in the environment of an area that may yield a clue with investigation, this is also supported by my interpretation of the second clue. Pleasure island is the name of the island pinnochio went to where all the children turned into donkeys. Donkeys and straw can both be found on farms, and based on what I read there are some farms in the area of diamondhead, a place where the minihune have been sighted. the only clue I have no idea of is the third, I don't know who or what the black kid with the kanji is supposed to represent. Hopefully the answers to that will be revealed within time.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:08 pm

Today I had a another projection

It started this morning when something really odd happened. Over the years I've had a peculiar feeling of my legs being lifted up intot he air while I'm asleep. Only after studying AP did I really make the connection that was was probably happening was that my astral legs were floating up for some reason. Anyway that happened this morning, here's where things were a little odd. I remember looking at me legs and seeing them still under the blankets even though I felt them floating up in the air. How does that work? I shouldn't be able to do that if I was in the theta state unless I was using my astral body to look at them which makes the most sense. Anyway once I figured what was going on, I kicked my legs to the side and rolled out. I went over to the usual room with the anomalous doorway. Like one of the previous projections the record looked like a bathroom this time. This time around I decided to ask about how to find leads that would help teach me about shape shifting. As I looked around for clues I found a spray bottle. On the back of the bottle were the words Lo and Zo. Another thing I noticed was that there was a window that seemed to have some sort of train wreck outside, my intuition tells me that was not related to my question. Dunno if the record showed me a train wreck that happened or did happen somewhere? or if that was soemthing else. Anyway since I had shape shifting on my mind I decided to try changing the form of my astral body. Once again I only had partial success in doing this.

After waking up I did a number of searches relating to shape shifting and Lo and Zo, here's what I turned up. Inititialy I was a little worried given how ambiguous the clues were, but they really gave me some interesting results.

http://coilhouse.net/2009/06/larkin-gri ... peshifter/

The muscician in the above link apparently did study shape shifting with john perkins. I'm going to try to contact her to see if we can talk about it.

http://www.myspace.com/zolily

This myspace profile is another I found, the notion of finding a true shape shifter on myspace seems absurd, but I'm not going to take any info I get here lightly and intend to check this out as well.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/ ... -6170.html

Here's another link I found in one of my first searches. In the above thread the users don azarro and william mac both look like they might know something, I'm going to try to contact them as well.

http://www.eso-garden.com/index.php?/we ... c_journey/
http://www.eso-garden.com/index.php?/we ... it_guides/

these two above links arent directly about shapeshifting, but it looks like they may also be useful
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Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:32 pm

Here's some more older projections, if you feel like reading these, I would recommend you do so in this topic where they were originally posted as light is shed on alot of mysterys there viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9378&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Ok, well I had two projections yesterday and two today, lots of interesting stuff here. As you'll soon read, I tried doing the card experiment , but I had some problems, any insites into this would be appreciated.

The other day, I projected in the early morning, after doing so I went over to the cabinet where I had put the card and took a look. However the card was not there. I moved on and went to the room with the door anomaly. I had thought of one other question to ask the record, so I decided to give that a go before doing any training. I went over to it and it appeared to be a bedroom under construction. So I asked my question "What is the true motivation behind those responsible for the New world Order plot?". I looked around the room for anything out of the ordinary but saw nothing. It was then my mom appeared and began ranting about some guy named Tony. I don't remember what she said, but she seemed pretty mad at him. Then I got pulled back to my body. At the time I didn't know it, but my mom ranting about Tony was the clue I was supposed to find. Later I did a search for "Tony NWO Reason" and found this video where Tony Blair explains why he thinks globalization is a good idea http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-tony-blai ... iZE%5D.cfm so it would appear its telling me the reasons he states in the video are the ones behind it, in other words the NWO plotters genuinly think their doing the right thing for the world.

After being pulled back I came out again, landed by the side of my bed, I looked to my left and what caught my eye was two spindly grey legs. I looked up to see who the legs belonged to and saw it was a little man, he had a face like a middle aged human man, but had the body of a grey alien. I'm not sure why, but my first reaction was to reach out and grab him by the shoulder. After that the projection ended and I was back in my body.

The way I see it there are a couple possibilities

1. This was really an entity of some sort who came to visit me for unknown reasons.

2. It may have been a dream element in the projection

3. Maybe it was something else

does anyone have an opinion on this odd encounter? Never saw this guy in any of my other projections. If he was an entity, maybe I did something in the first projection that got his attention.

[defectron]

Now today I had two more projections, this time I just practiced my astral skills, I did pretty good at flying, but still have trouble with form changing.

First time I realized I was dreaming, came back and then projected. I checked the card on top of the cabinet I had and found three cards, there was a 7 of hearts, 8 of spades and a 9 of hearts. When I looked at these for too long the numbers began to shift. Later this turned out to be a jack, what may have screwed me up is I had a predisposition in my mind that the card would be a jack so I tried to distance myself from that by thinking about all the other cards. Then I went to the door anomaly in the other room and focused on going somewhere that time moved slower again. When I went this time, the room was decorated very oddly. There were some sort of modern art depictions of tribal warriors on the walls. The reason why I came here this time was that I wanted to practice flying. I found a balcony, but it was blocked off by a windy with plastic panes in it. I smashed through the window and dove off the balcony flying over a rainforest. I came upon some kids who were eating a pumpkin and some other vegetables on one of the ledges and gave them a scare, don’t remember what I did but they freaked out and ran away. Also oddly I think my form may have shifted at some point here while I was flying , because I sort of remember looking like Lum from the anime urusei yatsura at some point during this flight. Not entirely sure why this happened, but I'm a big fan of the show and usually think how nice it would be to be able to fly around like her when I watch it, so maybe thats why? Anyway towards the end I landed by a highway and looked off in the distance to see a magnificent looking creature soaring in the sky, it was a black griffen, it looked just like a real animal, except it was a griffin. It must have been pretty large too by my estimations. At this point I got pulled back. But I knew that I was still in the theta state, so I built up some energy and came out again. Once again I checked for the card, this time there was a full deck of cards where only one should have been. This time I decided to practice form changing again, I went back to the room, focusing on going to a place where time moved more slowly. I went to a similar place to the first projection. When I went in I decided to try form shifting, I tried doing something a bit different, trying to make my energy similar to my impression of the energy of someone else I knew to see if I could use this to make myself look like them. At first it seemed to work pretty good, but it was still incomplete. I decided after that to try something different and try focusing on growing a scorpion tale, but the problem was, I was wearing pants and they were in the way, I could feel the tip kinda poking out, but it couldn’t come out cuz of the pants. This is odd , because I wasn’t wearing any when I went to sleep, I’m guessing maybe this is from the last form change attempt, because I may have also imagined the clothes the person I was trying to shift into was wearing. Form shifting is tricky business, I will sometimes to it accidently, such as in that last projection, but doing it intentionally seems difficult. Before I could do anything else I got called back.

Anyway two big questions, one is do you guys have any idea how I can get the card trcik to work right, I here the astral is influenced by ones mind, I'm guessing this may be the root of my troubles there. Second do you guys think the little man, the griffen and the children were entitys, or were they dream elements or something else?


Had two short projections after going to sleep, I wasn't able to find the robot though

In the first I made it out into the hall and was about to go intot he room with the door before waking up. In the second one I made it into the room, a dream version of my mom came by and started talking about stuff I ignored her and went through the door anomaly, my idea was that if I went somewhere like where I practiced flying I could cover more ground to look for the robot. Though looking back on it, if his job is to oversee me, maybe I should have just looked for him in the house. I considered asking my dream mom if she had seen him but decided just to go forward because I didn't want to waste any time when I could end up going back at any moment. I then went through the door and ended up in a room with two small windows. I went over and beat on both windows with my fists until I punched through both of them, it was decently thick glass so I had to punch them a couple times before breaking them. I probably should have just smashed one though since there was a bit of brick wall between the two of them which would have been more difficult for me to smash through. Each window was the size of a small airvent which is too small to get through, but that hasn't stopped me before as in one projection in the past I managed to get about halfway through a half foot wide door I found in the basement before waking up. Anyway I began to force the windows open so that I could try to squeeze through them to look for the robot. But then I woke up.


Something unusual happened today, as when I woke up I had a partial obe memory. I had no memory of exiting or returning or anything else which is unusual, but it seems I did remember the important part of it. I remember coming to the room anomaly and then as I heard of someone else on this forum doing I asked what the purpose of the simulation was, just to make sure our interpretations were correct. The room anomaly changed to look like a closet with no doors or windows, so that was good enough for me to know we were. Anyway I put my hands on the wall , looked at the floor and gave it a go. I was able to push through it, I remember feeling really tingly energy going through me as I went through it which was interesting. I don't remember what I saw on the other side of the wall which is a little frustrating though. Well at least it looks like I made a bit of progress there, now if only I could get form changing to work right. In my next projection I won't use any doors (aside from the door anomaly) and will just push through all the walls like I did here to make sure I got it down alright. Anyway if I get this down then I'll have mastered flying and phasing, still gotta work on form changing and teleportation , are there any other basic techniques you think the simulation will likely ask me? Maybe there will be one in how to come out in another body like the ethiric or mental though I have no idea what sort of simulation that would be.


Was in bed and realized I was in the theta state, rolled out of my body, but kept on getting pulled back when I tried to look around. So the third time I didn't try to look around and just went blind. I kinda fumbled around on the floor and mad emy way over to the door, didn't remember that I planned to phase through it til I went through it though. So I phased through the next one entering the room with the anomaly. I then felt my way along the wall until I felt the anomalous door and phased through it entering another closet like the last one.Once I did this I was able to see again. Originally I had planned to ask what the meaning of the next simulation was but forgot to do this , this time around. I thought I might try going through the wall looking through it this time. So I looked at it this time and pushed, at first the wall just got pushed back, the room was getting larger by me pushing on it. But then I asked my body to adjust its vibrations and I began to get through it, it was alomst like a swimming pool made of energy I was trying to swim through that was simultaniously trying to move further away from me, but I eventually got through it. When my vision adusted I was on a wooden floor in a rich high class bedroom that must have belong to a giant, I was tiny. Yet somehow I had a memory that I was in another bedroom where I was a giant when I saw this, maybe from the other obe that I forgot parts of. Anyway I started to fly up towards the window but fell a bit so I kinda made some swimming and flying motions with my arms to get up into the air properly and look at the giants back yard. Wasn't sure what I wanted to do yet, either practice form changing or go explore giant land. Anyway I flew at the window and then woke up.


Wah I flubbed the simulation today. Had another projection, things played out kinda like like in the last one though I never made it to the giant bedroom this time. When I came out it was kinda hard to see, but when I got in the hall I could see again this time. I tried to teleport a couple times but nothing happened so I think I'm probably doing it wrong. when I got over to the door I pushed on it and it fell off its hinges so I guess I wasnt supposed to do that this time. When I got in the closet I tried to teleport again but still couldn't do it. So I pushed on the walls and they began to move apart again and thats where it ended. I think I'll take a look in astral dynamics to see if there's anything about teleportation in there.


Ok, I cleared the growing simulation

Today when I projected it felt a little different, kinda felt like I projected out of my fore head for some reason. The previous night when doing energy work I think I overstimulated my third eye chakra , so I dunno if that had something to do with it. Anyway instead of projecting to my room like usual I projected to some place that looked like a hotel for some reason, maybe because I was in hawaii for some reason. But unlike most hotels it had a low ceiling you could touch. Anyway I decided to try growing so I grew and pushed the ceiling up higher. After that I decided to make just one indevidual part grow longer so I stretched my arm out in an attempt to grab the nose of some asian guy I assumed to be a dream character. However he sort of vanished when I tried to focus on him. So instead I snaked it over the counter in the lobby and grabbed something out from under it, cool thing about astral arms is they don't have joints so you can make them bend in ways regular arms can't. Anyway after I grabbed some cd's from under the lobby counter the simulation ended and I came back. Oh boy I wonder what the next simulation will be? I forgot to ask for a teacher in this one though which is too bad, but at least I cleared it.

EDIT

Ok went back to bed and had another projection. This is another odd one because as usual it started in a dream, but when I tried to go back to my body to project it didn't seem to work so well so I decided to try jumping to the astral by doing something else. I phased through the window of the car I was in, inside the dream which seemed to be a bit more difficult then usual, maybe because it was a dream and not a proper projection. My intent was that after phasing through the window I would get to the astral. After phasing through it with a small amount of difficulty I fell out the window, instead of landing on the freeway I phased to a place that seemed to be a cross between my old house and a farm. This was alot like when I phased to the bedroom from the closet in that I seemed to black out, diving into a sea of energy before ending up in a new place. Anyway I had no clue what this simulation was about, I tried growing again and then I decided to try shrinking which I was able to do fairly easily, though I had trouble when I got about 1-2 ft high because I kept accidently growing again, I wanted to shrink down small enough to turn the shag carpet into a jungle but didn't quite get there. Oddly one of the times I shrunk my body seemed to temporarily melt into this puddle of rubber before snapping back to its proper form. After that I decided to try form changing, with only partial success as usual, oddly part of my body turned transparant like glass when I did this, I have no idea why though. I can accidently turn into puddles but can't properly change forms yet which is a bit frustrating. Anyway I gave up on that and went down into a stairwell with no stairs. I looked out and somehow saw a freeway by the side of the house even though I should not have been able to see it. On the side of the road was a billboard that had been graftied on, originally I think it read "unlawful acts will be punished by god" though with the grafity over it it read "playful acts will be punished by the system" anyway I began to fly up intending to land on top of a nearby barn, I suppose I could of grown larger and just stepped out of there too but didn't think of it at the time. This is where this projection ended, once again I completely forgot to ask for the the teacher, gotta remember to do that. Once again I have no clue what this next simulation is supposed to teach, hopefully things will become clearer in the next one, or maybe I'll remember to ask for the teacher and it will tell me, I'll just have to wait and see.

Anyway I noticed two things here, one is I could see again, also both these projections bypassed my room. Even when in hawaii, at least one of my projections went to my room, so why is it now I'm going to these new places without having to enter the door anomaly?


Maybe I should do like I did in that dream from now on without bothering to come back to my body first? Is there any real benefit to coming back to one's body first? Or should I just try directly phasing to some astral zone like I did that time?

Anyway this relates a bit to two short projections this morning. Looks like I'm not rid of the blind projections yet, at least not when I project to my room. In the first one I projected and only made it to the door before going back, in the next one I made it to the room witht he anomaly and when I did I could see again. But the room was different, it didn't have the door anomaly this time. Just green wallpaper with a cd rack like in my room and nothing else in it.

Could this simulation be how to jump to the astral using some other method like teleporting or maybe phasing, I've already used phasing twice to jump to some random place. Someone else mentioned going into a painting to get there, but how would that work? Also blind projecting could present a problem if I can't see the painting. I'll just wait and see if the room is the same the next time I project. I did try asking for a teacher this time, but no one responded, wonder if they got my message?

EDIT:

Ok had a third projection, this time I didn't try to go in the room, maybe I should have because if it looked the same that might be a valuable clue. Anyway I tried asking what the purpose of the simulation was when I saw a picture of a house on the wall thinking that maybe if I looked at it a clue would be in there, but I got an overwhelming feeling that if I focused on it too hard I would wake up so I looked away. I came to the stairs and leapt down the flight, landing in front of a couch sitting at the end of the room, I seemed to change size and shrink down as I did so. Sitting on the couch was my dead aunt who at the time I assumed to be a dream character but now I'm not so sure. I asked her what the purpose of the simulation was and she kind of glanced over at me but didn't say anything. At this point the projection ended and I came back.


Had another short projection this morning. Took a look around but didn't see my aunt anywhere so maybe she wasn't supposed to be the teacher afterall? I went over tot he room with the door anomaly and it was back. So I went through the door and inside was a rather dingy looking laundry room like what you would find in a basement complete with a house furnace. After that the projection ended. I still have no idea what this current simulation is supposed to be about. Using the process of eleimination I would guess this isn't a simulation for going through a painting as I would think there'd be a painting in the room if it was. This room didn't seem to go anywhere so either what I'm supposed to do doesn't have to do with traveling or I'm supposed to teleport or something. But given that kurt said teleportations more advanced it's probably something else. Maybe I'm supposed to try to master shapeshifting? Given the last simulation was about size changing that seems like the next logical step, but then again there aren't any real clues pointing in that direction either.


I had a short projection this morning, in this projection I was blind again, either that or it was just really dark. Anyway I went over tot he door in my bedroom to go out to the hall and found it was locked (this door has no lock in the physical). I started to phase through the door but after that I got pulled back. I think this is a clue to the next simulation, I'm supposed to do something in my room. My guess is that I'm supposed to give another try at looking at my body, though in a blind projection I'm not sure how well that would work. I wonder if touching it would work just as well? Either that or I'm supposed to go to the astral in a new way, either by teleporting or going into a picture.

[defectron]

Ok, I had some more projections, the first one was kinda short, in this one I tumbled out, my sight came online fairly quickly this time, so I glanced over to see if my body was there, but before I could clearly make out if anything was there I got called back. The next time I tried I immediatly turned around and once again nothing seemed to be in bed. Anyway went over to the door and it was still locked so it seems this is certainly part of this simulation and not a fluke. Unfortunately I tend to be kinda slow when I project so once again I didn't think to try asking what this was all about til I came back. However I do think I got some valuable clues that might be telling. Anyway I tried phasing through the floor with the intent to go directly to the astral , but this didn't work, I could only get about a few inches into the floor. Next I phased through the door which it allowed and I went to the door anomaly in the other room which was open, inside was a childs bedroom, the walls were plastered with drawings of snoopy from charlie brown which looked like they were drawn by a young child. It also had some of the posters that were in my room. At this point I got called back. I had a very short one a bit after this which was completely blind, I went over tot he door and gave a push but it put up some resistence, I then paused and asked what the simulation was about but then got called back before any sort of answer could be given.

So if I had to take a guess I think that this simulation is for projecting into a picture, The childs room had alot of pictures and I have plenty in my room as well which might be why it didn't want me to leave my room since I was supposed to get to the astral in a different way then usual this time. It allowed me to go through the door because when I did so I had no intention of going tot he astral that time but wanted to look at the room to find clues. I haven't yet read the part of astral dynamics that deals with this yet though so I don't know exactly how to do it yet. Of course I have been wrong plenty of times before so I might be misinterpreting the clues here Any ideas what this might be about?

I had one projection and one sort of projection this morning. If I was able to sleep in regularly I probably would have projections almost every day, but work schedual doesn't allow for this so I've been working on trying to project earlier in the night and it looks like it might be paying off. Given that I had these today and one earlier in the week during a work day.

The first projection I kinda screwed up because I thought that I was in my physical body. The reason being that for unknown reasons the mass in my astral body seemed to increase to be as heavy as I am physically so that I hit the floor pretty hard when tumbling out. I thought I had literally rolled out of bed so I just got back up and went back to sleep. Looking back on this though I know it was a projection for several reasons. One is that it should have made alot more noise if I had really fallen out of bed, another is that it didn't hurt and lastly my blankets weren't disturbed which they should have been if that happened. I don't remember straightening them up or anything. I don't know if the mass increase was part of the simulation or not.

The next time I was in a dream that I was in some sort of shopping mall. At some point I realized this was a dream and ran over to the toys section for some reason. When I was there I noticed a katana sword and got an idea, I had never tried taking a dream object with me when phasing to differen't places, so I wondered what would happen if I tried. So I went over and picked up the katana, the craftmanship was a bit shoddy but unlike the other objects there it wasn't a toy. Anyway I placed one hand behind the hilt and pushed it against the concrete wall, focusing on having the sword syncronise with it like my body does when phasing. Sure enough the katana began to phase through the wall. I stopped it a couple inches from fully going in because if it went in without me I would probably lose track of it. I then began to phase into the wall but got some resistance. At this point a dream version of my step dad came up and began talking about random things which destracted me and the dream ended.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:35 pm

And here are my two newest projections

Anyway it seems my efforts to project earlier really have paid off because I had another one today.

Also in this one the door unlocked, if as Kurt said the purpose of that simulation was to communicate with my environment, I think I may have inadvertantly fullfilled that requirment in the projection with the sword. In that one I communicated my intention to the sword to have it phase with me. Oddly it did a better job then I did going into that wall which I had trouble with. I assumed this was because the locked door simulation was preventing me from going through the wall, but this wouldn't make sense if I fullfilled the requirements when I communicated with the sword. An alternate reason may be because it was a concrete wall as some have said some different materials take more effort and I havent phased through concrete before so that might be why. On the other hand, excluding the stuff that happened in the locked door simulation I never had that much trouble phasing through anything so I can't say that for sure.

anyway in todays projection I rolled out and checked the door, it opened. Originally I was planning on trying to ask objects some questions and maybe try to call my spirit guide like natalie did in a projection she posted in the obe forum, but unfortunately I forgot to do that. I then went over to the room with the door anomaly and found it was a bathroom this time. Anyway after that I went out in the hallway and looked down the stairs to see a small boy and a small girl playing in the room below. For some reason I decided to greet them in an overly enthusiastic way, literally the same way Hobbs greets Calvin in the Calvin and Hobbs comic strip. I leapt past the flight of stairs pouncing on them. Now this sounds like a bad thing to do to little kids, but that didn't occur to me then as my mind seems to not think things through as much in the astral, I was just trying to say hi in an overly enthusiastic way. Anyway they seemed to know what I was doing and wern't scared by my flashy entrance and just giggled about it. I asked them what their names were, the girl didn't answer but the boy said his name which I didn't quite get. I asked him if he said his name was Modrien and he said "No it's Rodrien" or maybe that's Rodrian? The girl then commented that he was named that because his parents were religious, I personally don't ever recall hearing of a name like that though. I then asked him if he could spell it out, so we went over to the fridge and he got out some chinese food which doesn't exist in the physical world. He then proceeded to attempt to draw out his name in the food, but the food wasn't cooperating which was causing him to get a little frustrated. Before he could try anymore though I got called back. The identitys of these kids is mysterious, I don't know if they were part of a simulation or if they were just passing through. If this was part of a simulation it may be another communication based simulation as these kids were the first beings I met in the astral that I could have a meaningful conversation with.


Newest projection:

I had another projection today, as Korpo suggested when I popped out I went over to the room to see if the shower was there and it was. The room was dark so I tried doing that light beam trick again with no success, I also tried glowing in the dark but this din't work so well either so I decided to just do it in the dark. So I took off my clothes and turned on the shower getting in. At some point the lights came on, on their own. But about mid way through the shower I got distracted by some things which may have thrown this simulation off track. Though be that as it may those things that distracted me did help me learn a few new tricks. One was that I tried to shape shift in the shower, and amazingly I think I actually managed to do it 100% correctly this time, in the past I always never quite got it right, but it seemed to work this time. Though as soon as I took my attention off it I reverted back to normal, so I still gotta work on that. Next I decided to try manifesting an object, so I looked away and summoned some underwear to put on, at this point the shower had turned off on its own. After putting on the underwear I tried to turn it back on and the projection ended. Once again I forgot to try calling my spirit guide, I gotta try harder to remember doing that. Another idea I had was the next time the lighting is dim, if I still can't create the light beam, I might try to manifest a light saber, yeah I know a flashlight could work too, but a lightsaber is cooler.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:31 pm

Hello, defectron.

Nice to hear you went ahead with the shower. It is interesting the light went on while you did it - again some feedback. You could either take it as telling you that what you did was "a bright idea." Or you could take it as helping you achieve a greater degree of "illumination" (mental clarity, etc.). The shower was needed to achieve that, that's why the light wouldn't come on before you used the symbolical shower to cleanse yourself.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:53 pm

So if the shower helped me get to another level of illumination, do you think this is why I was able to shape shift correctly this time? I was never able to it quite right before. Also I've never tried to manifest objects before so I can't really compare my success there to anything I did previously. Anyway I'll see if the shower is still there next time or if it served its purpose this time around.

[defectron]

Ok, had a new projection this morning and I believe this was my first run in with a neg.

Anyways, at some point in the early morning I realized I was in the theta state, so I began swishing my energy back and forth as I always do before projecting when I realize I'm in this state. Anyway I rolled out and landed on the floor, once again I was blind so I felt my way over to the room with the door anomaly. As I suspected it was the bathroom again, probably because I got distracted by a bunch of random things last time rather then properly finishing the shower. So anyway I turned on the shower again and got inside, after doing so the lights came on. After a bit of showering I decided to try calling my spirit guide like natalie did so that I could talk about these simulations. Anyway I called out for my spirit guide, at first nothing happened, but then I noticed someone standing next to the shower. It was a really creepy looking little boy, when he came in the bathroom save for the shower sort of changed appearance, I forget exactly how though, only that alot of the room was no longer a bathroom. He looked tobe about five and he had really irregular eyes, they were pools of dark grey, not quite black like the black eyed children some people report or grey alien eyes, but really dark grey nonetheless, later his eyes would change to look kind of snake like. Also one arm seemed to be alot longer then the other which was smaller and looked sort of deformed, on the end of each of his fingers it looked like he had claws too. When he showed up I asked him if he was my spirit guide. He sort of hissed out the word "yessss" , something wasn't right here I was getting a really bad feeling from this kid. I could tell whoever or whatever this kid was, he was lying and was probably up to no good. Maybe I should have been a bit more diplomatic here given that I didn't know anything about him but since I tend to react more impulsively in the astral one thing lead to another. So I reached out and grabbed him by the throat before pinning him against the wall before pulling back ready to punch him. I tried to say Samuel L Jacksons line from pulp fiction but my memory tends to not be as good while projecting so I just said something that sounded kind of like it. I said "You better tell me the truth or I will rain lightning down on you from heaven! Now your going to tell me, are you my spirit guide?" he sort of shook his head and said "N-No!". I then released him and told him to leave, he ran out of the room and didn't come back, after that I resumed taking a shower. Seems I just can't take an astral shower in peace, if I'm not interupted by my own impulses , some neg boy comes and trys to throw things off track. After this my memory gets kind of fuzzy, I do remember something else later, but I think it may have been a dream inspired by that projection rather then a continuation of it, I'm not 100% sure though so I'll post it anyway. In my memory of what may have been a dream I was in bed, sitting under the covers on the other side of the bed was a man and a woman who looked to be a couple. The woman told me the neg boy I ran into earlier was her little brother. We then talked about a bunch of things I can't remember. Like I was saying earlier, I wouldn't take that last part to heart since it may have been a dream. But yeah my advice is to watch out when calling your spirit guide, because sometimes the wrong person might answer your call.

I'm not sure if this was part of the simulation or not, if it was maybe it was a simulation for telling the identies of beings one runs into on the astral. But then again letting a real neg into the simulations sounds kind of dangerous, though I imagine a real scenerio would work better then one that was set up. Or maybe it was just a neg who somehow got in on its own, I'm really not sure there.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:27 am

Hello, defectron.

Kurt identifies the fourth chakra (heart chakra) with the ability to identify the function of a being, also including a basic awareness of its friendliness. So that could have been a simulation to help develop this.

On the other hand it could have been a thought/feeling form you were trying to get rid off. That would make sense of it appearing in the context of having a shower. In the astral aspects of you can appear outside of you, and even feelings can appear as entities. Kurt calls such embodiments of energies "Creatures."

It could have been a neg, it could have been an embodiment of your own concern about being deceived and misled, or it could have been a dream/simulation character. A really interesting thing happening is probably the talk with the woman you had afterward, this might have been your actual guide, maybe even a debriefing of the simulation (if it was one).

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:08 pm

or it could have been a dream/simulation character.


I don't think it was a dream character, the vibe I was getting from him felt more real then that. Also the dream characters and objects I interact with when I project seem to be much less stable, they usually vanish or change into something else when I focus on them and I was probably focusing on him harder then any other being I've met since I projected. Though if it was a character generated by the simulation, could it generate a specific feeling identical to what I would feel in the presence of a neg or a negative thought form?

A really interesting thing happening is probably the talk with the woman you had afterward, this might have been your actual guide, maybe even a debriefing of the simulation (if it was one).


I wish I remembered more of what we talked about, all I remember was her saying the creepy kid from earlier was her brother, though I didn't get any bad vibes from her. If they were both generated by the simulation, or if they were both thought forms made by me, it would make sense that she would call him her little brother.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:24 am

Had a short projection today, rolled out and went over to the room with the anomaly, this time that rooms door was locked, the projection ended after checking the door. I'm guessing the meaning behind this could be simialer to the last locked room and the washroom simulations because there were a few things I was putting off recently.


by Korpo on Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:53 am

defectron wrote:
"all I remember was her saying the creepy kid from earlier was her brother, though I didn't get any bad vibes from her. If they were both generated by the simulation, or if they were both thought forms made by me, it would make sense that she would call him her little brother."


Initially, when developing your OOB communications skills, exchanges can seem pretty strange. Your inner sense is developing very similar to the motoric skill in a toddler - a toddler might be able to walk, but just a few steps, maybe erratic, then over time more consistently, and better and better, till finally at some point the motion of the child is developed sufficiently and considered natural and effortless.

In a similar sense, initially your inner senses find a very coarse equivalent to translate the energy you receive into, maybe the terms are all wrong, but the inherent relationship is the same (little brother - something related to me but smaller), but the sentence as such makes no sense or cannot be taken literally. Over time this develops into a more precise communication where you find more and more fitting equivalents inside for the information you receive energetically, and then you can correctly translate what is said. It's very similar to trying to learn a foreign language with just some basic words as vocabulary and then regularly talking with native speakers and not much else. If you do that consistently enough, you would over time build a vocabulary and be able to express and understand more things as well.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:09 pm

Initially, when developing your OOB communications skills, exchanges can seem pretty strange. Your inner sense is developing very similar to the motoric skill in a toddler - a toddler might be able to walk, but just a few steps, maybe erratic, then over time more consistently, and better and better, till finally at some point the motion of the child is developed sufficiently and considered natural and effortless.


Do you think this is why most beings that I've communicated with appeared as children?
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:38 pm

Hello, defectron.

Well, size means what your inner senses read about someone. The question is what. For me it often is "spiritual size" - the higher a being in terms of spiritual development, the bigger. So, astral level beings might be children for you. The couple you talked to in a recent experience seemed to be guides, and lo and behold - they were portrayed as adults. Maybe that's what you try to express with size?

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:48 am

Oh boy, looks like I'm entering into a new simulation of some sort

Today , something really interesting happened, these past few days I've been taking choline and Galantamine in an effort to induce sleep paralysis and it may have worked. What happened is I was lying down and all of a sudden I felt a pressure on my chest that spread to the rest of my body, but this didn't feel like the usual sleep paralysis feeling. It felt more like something was squashing down on my physical body so that my astral would pop out, which is exactly what happened, you know how sometimes your physical body will tug on you with some invisible force when your nearby, well it was the opposite of that as I was sent tumbling out to the side of my bed as if blown by a wind. anyway I was blind but was used to this by now and didn't even think of it as I ran over to the door, out into the hall , into the room where my sight dimly came back online and through the door anomaly which was wide open, as I went inside things became extremely vivid. I was walking into what looked to be an old fashioned country home. There was a rocking chair, a dining room table and other things like that on a wooden floor. The place was dimly lit with blue light like in early morning when the sun rises. Anyway I then happened upon the first thing that stood out, there was a terrarium in the middle of the floor, inside it was my pet tortoise. In some of my early projections I actually tried to check on him, but like my body in bed he was never there when I checked because it was the astral. But here he was, he looked slightly bigger then in the physical. I walked over and picked him up, as he waved his limbs around, looking over at me. I asked "Hey hows it going? What are you doing over here?" I noticed he had a wadded up paper towel stuck to the bottom of his shell for some reason, maybe this is a clue of some sort? The projection ended after that. I prior to the locked door and shower projections I did have one projection where I went to some place that looked to be a farm, jumping there directly from the astral, for some reason I never went back there. But this was a farmy looking house, so maybe its related. One thing I notice is both the tortois as well as the woman who appeared to be my dead aunt both just sort of look over at me without saying anything when I talked to them. Though in this case I wasn't seriously trying to talk to him as this is how I always greet my pet tortois in the physical, but this was the astral so having him talk back now wouldnt be inconceivable though he didn't this time.

The farm projection is the second one in this post

[defectron]

WHOOOOAAAH! I had a mega breakthrough projection today, probably my longest one ever! And I'm not entirely sure but I may have cleared the simulation, I don't know if I did or not though as this was a communication based simulation and I was only able to meaningfully communicate with certain things in it. but some things are certainly better then none so I think that's a pretty good start. Anyway this is a new record as I feel this projection was at least a half hour long if not a bit more. None of my projections have lasted that long.

This one started from a dream I don't particularly remember what the dream was about, but I suddenly realized that this was a dream and I should try jumping tot he astral. Immediatly I pressed my hands tot he ground and began to phase into it , once again pulling myself into the black sea of energy. Once my vision cleared I was in a place that I believe I caught a very brief glimpse of in one very short projection where I jumped but woke up right after getting to. The place was a bedroom with a bright orange bed in it. I took a look around, I had been expecting the farm house, but while some things were a bit simialer there were differences too such as the bed. The floor in both places was greyish wooden planks though. Anyway I began to go about the house looking for my tortoise since he was in my last projection. I then came upon an old couple on a couch and tried to talk to them. Neither reacted so I tried to reach out and touch them but they vanished, they had been dream characters. I then tried asking random objects about the house what was going on in the simulation, at first nothing was responding, the most I got was that I think one object shifted to look a little different when asked. I got a bit frustrated by that so I went over by the window and looked out on the deck over a bog, looked interesting out there, I thought I might go fly around. I began to phase through the window, but had a feeling if I did the projection would end. I didn't have anything to lose so I figured I would stick around and ask more objects some questions, I then noticed what looked to be a tree growing out of the wall of all places. I went over and asked it what was going on and the tree hugged me. I then noticed , sitting up on top of the branch that was hugging me was an ape man with snow white fur and a long face that seemed to be a cross between a humans and a baboons. I then said "What's the purpose of this simulation? This is a simulation for communication right?"

The Ape man nodded in response and said in a somewhat jolly sounding voice, "Yes that's right!"

The tree was still hugging me as we were talking and I said "Clingy fellow isn't he?" remarking about the tree. I don't remember if he said anything else, but the projection ended somewhere around there.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:58 pm

Defectron
I have read through your entire journal and you have Definately hit on something. You mentioned PHASING into the astral from a dream. Yeah, brilliant. I have read a lot about phasing and, until now, nothing seemed to make sense. So I continued to induce my OBEs the 'old fashion' way. But Phasing out of a dream into an OBE does make good sense. Because once in a dream the normal, everyday consciousness is passive while an altered state of consciousness, the dream consciousness, is dominant. Therefore it Should be MUCH easier to phase out of a dream into an OBE than to phase out of waking everyday consciousness into OOB.
I realize that this might not make much sense to some people. Yet, believe me that there is NO way I can phase otherwise. Inducing OBEs on a regular basis can best be done directly from a dream (again for me anyway). Perhaps some type of phasing method is the key. I will have to think and experiment this through some more.

Regards
Grey
greytraveller


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:03 am

Perhaps some type of phasing method is the key. I will have to think and experiment this through some more.


Phasing to the astral is actually pretty simple, just phase into something in your dream with the intention of coming out in the astral. I'm honestly not sure how specific this can get though given that I just let it take me to wherever the simulations want me to go. But if your not currently running through the simulations, maybe you can use it to go to more specific places, I'm really not sure. I recall cf traveler saying once that she phased like I did but came out in a random spot by accident.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by natalie-1984 on Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:05 am

So do all dreams take place outside of the body then? Because I would think that if I tried to change my dream into an OOBE I would just end up thinking it was a dream. I like having my OOBE's while I am about to fall asleep that way I am conscience at the time. When you phase into the astral from a dreamstate, does it suddenly feel real? My dreams vary in degrees of lucidity so it's hard for me to imagine going from a regular nonsense dream to having an OOBE.
Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
natalie-1984

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:59 am

From what I understand dreams are supposed to be a sort of projection, but when your in a dream zone other things in the astral can't really interact with you, it's not public, at least I think that's how its supposed to be. This makes sense, because what I used to do is when I realized I was dreaming I would go back to my body and then jump back out again to project. Phasing just cuts that part out going straight to the astral.

When you phase into the astral from a dreamstate, does it suddenly feel real? My dreams vary in degrees of lucidity so it's hard for me to imagine going from a regular nonsense dream to having an OOBE.


Yeah it does, the dream I had today actually wasn't very lucid at all and seemed kinda fuzzy without much clarity despite me realizing it was a dream, so it was a big jump going to the house with the ape man which was a pretty realistic place.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:16 am

OK, looks like I probably cleared that last communication simulation, because I came to a new place this time

How I got there is odd though, I dreampt that I fell asleep on the couch in the room downstairs so when I projected I was in that room when I came out. Anyway first I began to phase through the window but decided not to so then I tried to go through the floor but was prevented and remembered I should check the room anomaly. So I ren up stairs and went into the door. Inside was some sort of little chinese building, not really sure what the word for it is, but it seemed to be some sort of chinese semi interior garden with bamboo shoots growing inside, I could see that part of it at least was exposed tot he sky though. Anyway I began to walk inside when a bamboo shoot came out and poked me in the shoulder preventing me from walking forward. I tried to walk forward again and it poked me again and I woke up. I'm really not sure what I was supposed to do here, maybe I should have asked the bamboo what the deal with that was. I'll have to see if I go back to the same place next time.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:32 pm

Had two short projections today

The first one seemed to be another sleep parlysis induced projectrion, but I woke up right after I fell out and landed on the floor.

The next one was a little longer and I made it to the door anomaly. It was the bathroom again, maybe the bamboo didn't let me into the chinese garden because I needed another astral shower?
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:38 am

Had a short but interesting sleep paralysis induced projection just now. There may have also been some sort of entity there, but then again it couldve just been effects of the sleep parlysis playing with my mind. Anyway I was lying in bed when I felt the sleep paralysis effects come on. Now here's the odd part, I heard what felt like crunching leaves and sensed something crouching over me, whatever it was if I was sensing right and it wasn't just the sleep paralysis seemed to grab me out of my body and toss me on the floor. now here's another odd thing, was tiny when this happened, my room was giant just like the size changing simulation except it was my room. Immediatly I had myself grow back to normal size. I had intended to grow even larger in case something was really here but ended up waking up before I could probably because I was trying too hard to see if something was there and opened my eyes which is too bad because my sleep paralysis induced projections are usually pretty interesting. But yeah, as I was growing I could still hear the crunching leaves noises. Do you guys think something else was really there?
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:56 pm

Happy New Year defectron.
You asked,
"Do you guys think something else was really there?"


I believe that although it Is possible that it is, however, most unlikely. Much more probably you had an excess of energy and a strong desire to go OOB. Those two factors combined to effect, what I like to call, a spontaneous vortex projection, which is a quick 'ejection' of the astral/ethereal body out of the physical body. This can also happen when a person consumes alcohol and/or drugs. Although these projections are sudden and dramatic they are usually not painful or dangerous. So unless there Was some sign of an astral being or presence noticable after the initial separation I'd hazard the guess that you did Not have an unwanted visitor last night.

Regards
Grey
greytraveller


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:15 am

Those two factors combined to effect, what I like to call, a spontaneous vortex projection, which is a quick 'ejection' of the astral/ethereal body out of the physical body


Ah, thanks for the explanation. Too bad I woke up as these sorts of projections tend to be very lucid and realistic for me.

[defectron]

Just had a really interesting projection!

Anyway I partially woke up , but wasn't relaxed enough to project, guessing I was in deep alpha, felt like I was almost there but not quite.

Anyway I waited a bit and then when I was relaxed enough I rolled my energy around until I tumbled out. I then went over to the door anomaly in the other room and entered , whats interesting is inside it mostly looked like my bedroom, but there was also a closet, inside this was a bathroom. I went inside, but there was no shower, there was a sink and a toilet though. I went over to the sink and started to wash up. I then noticed something, the mirror in this bathroom accurately reflected my astral form, usually when I use a mirror in the astral usually my reflection distorts if I look at it too much, especially if I try shape shifting. I decided to try shape shifting after noticing that, instead of the usual sort of thing I do I just decided to shift a single part of me this time, I focused on growing a third eye. My fore head seemed to bulge a bit in the mirror as a new closed eye formed on it. It then opened, the iris was a brilliant golden amber that almost seemed to be glowing, it wasn't unlike the girls eyes in the image below from the comic I'm writing for, except not anime looking but like a real eye with the same colors.

http://img152.imageshack.us/i/capt2pag18.jpg/

Anyway as cool as this looked it was a bit unnerving having the third eye looking back at me so I closed it. Anyway what's cool though is it didn't dissapear after I took my attention off it. In the past whenever I shifted, I would go back to normal once my attention was off it, but this didn't happen here. If it is still there next time I think I'll keep it, because having a third eye looks kinda cool, I also always kinda wished I had eyes colored like that too for some reason.

Anyway one other thing and I don't know if this is related or not. I already mentioned in kurts topic that when doing energy work if I focus on a body part and look at it I feel an invisible beam of what feels sort of like static shoot out of my third eye chakra hitting it. Today I also felt a cold spot in addition to this when I did energy work.

One more thing, this might sound like an odd thing to do, but should I have tried using the astral toilet in addition to the sink? There was no shower in this bathroom, it was just the sink and toilet.

EDIT:

Had another obe later, this time when I went there the bathroom was there but not the copy of my room. The third eye from the last one was also gone, maybe I'll try growing it again later to see if it sticks or not like last time. Anyway I'm not sure if this bathroom had a shower or not, I know in the first one the shower was absent. Before I could try to use anything in the bathroom the second time though I woke up.


by Korpo on Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:21 pm

Hello, defectron.

Remember that what you see are symbols. If you see a toilet, shower, etc., it's a symbol for the opportunity to release. It might be also interesting to ask what you are releasing while doing it. Experiment with it a bit.

Very cool with the eye. Have you ever thought about what you're seeing with in nonphysical reality? Did opening or closing the eye have any side effects for you?

Cheers,
Oliver
"In all the universe, the only power beyond the mind's comprehension is the power to comprehend the power of the mind." - "Sam & Max - The Penal Zone"

Korpo

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:25 pm

Remember that what you see are symbols. If you see a toilet, shower, etc., it's a symbol for the opportunity to release. It might be also interesting to ask what you are releasing while doing it. Experiment with it a bit.


Yeah I was thinking that something might be a little different this time given the absence of the shower, so the toilet and sink might represent something different then what the shower did. Also when I made the third eye it stayed out for the duration of the projection, could this be because I used the sink? I'm not sure what the sink or shower specifically represented, but I do remember that I was able to properly shape shift the first time when using the shower, and when using the sink I was able to make it stick even when not paying attention tot he eye. This could all just be a coincidence, but I can't rule out the possibility that it isn't related. But yeah that's a good idea, I'll have to ask the sink and toilet what it is they represent.

I didn't notice any side effects, though this might be because my other eyes were open. Next time I get the chance I'll try closing my other eyes to see if things look differen't or maybe I'll try growing it when I have another blind projection.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:59 pm

Had a really short projection this morning, nothing too special happened, just walked over to the room anomaly but woke up before I could get inside it.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:46 am

I had another short projection today. I was blind all the way through this one, I wish I had remembered to try growing a third eye again to try seeing but I forgot. One thing thats interesting is when I came out I was carrying an envelope in one hand. Of course I didn't see what was in this because I was blind. I then tried to phase to the astral but couldn't. I then went over tot he room anomaly to see if the bathroom was still there. I couldn't see, but I had a feeling there was something left to get rid of, I'm thinking what I need to get rid of is lingering doubts about what I need to get rid of. What's cool is that my astral senses worked really well this time, even though I couldn't see I had no trouble at all going about and perceiving stuff.

Anyway after that I woke up
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:17 pm

defectron
Next time that you are blind during an OBE try one of the following affirmations, "Clarity Now !", "Sight Now!" or "I want vision Now". These affirmations have been, in general, successful for me. Though they do not work All the time they Do work enough of the time so that they are worthwhile trying.

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:58 am

Hello, defectron.

I find it very interesting how well you function in this OBE even though part of your usual perception is unavailable. I think this shows the amount of mental flexibility you have accrued in the challenges you have been exposed to. Kudos!

Still, I would suggest inquiring more into what is going on in the environments you find yourself in instead of applying some sort of premade solution. While finding the bathroom has proven useful to you in the past, it can also get limiting quickly. Think of yourself as a detective, a real snoop (remember "Snoopy?"). You're finding out what is going on.

That attitude would serve you in any kind of situation you would find yourself in, be it simulation or something else. Your environs will always yield clues to as what is going on, and these clues will be your guide to understanding your experience.

Even in the case you've been worried about recently - if you ever encountered a not-so-pleasant construct. Not taking the nature of your surroundings for granted would be like taking a page from PaleHorse's and Kurt's playbook at the same time, different though they may be at times. By assuming less you learn more. There's a delicate balance to be found, but only experience can teach that.

Having said that I think you will be able to build on past successes.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:22 pm

Yeah I'll have to try those affirmations, though I wanted to try making a third eye again just because I also wanted to see if it unlocked any other senses. Maybe it did back then and I still had them this time even though it wasn't there because I was alot better at detecting unseen things then usual.

Still, I would suggest inquiring more into what is going on in the environments you find yourself in instead of applying some sort of premade solution. While finding the bathroom has proven useful to you in the past, it can also get limiting quickly. Think of yourself as a detective, a real snoop (remember "Snoopy?"). You're finding out what is going on.


My idea was if the bathroom was still there I would ask it specifically what I needed to do. But do you think I should try looking for clues in other places besides the bathroom? Usually when I have obes where I come out of my body directly I just go over to the room anomaly since that seems to be where stuff happens, but maybe I should look in other places too?
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:31 am

Hmm. Hard to say. I guess going to the anomaly is a good thing, but whenever you don't understand something or something is missing you could ask again "What am I to do here?" and see if something comes up that either directly or indirectly tells you.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:45 am

That sounds like a good plan

I had one new projection and one new sort of projection today.

The first time started as a dream where I was either logging in or logging out at work. Then I went to some room where I was confronted with some strange european man with three eyes. Funny thing is his eyes seemed to shift between regular and snake like eyes. Anyway this guy came over to me and began to talk about something, dunno what though as I can't remember now. But I was getting kind of a bad feeling from this guy, he then reached out and grabbed my hand which caused a tingly feeling and then I realised this was a dream. I broke away and told him to leave me alone or I would destroy him. After shoing him away I then pressed my hands on the floor trying to phase to the astral but it didn't work. I then tried something a bit different, phasing with the intent to go to the room anomaly. This time I was able to phase, but after entering the sea of energy, I got apprehensive that I would wake up before reaching my destination and that's what happened.

The next projection I was in a dream at first and I left some co-workers flying down the hallway, as I was flying I realized this was a dream and dropped down to the floor, placing my hands on it and phased with the intent to go to the simulation.Oddly I phased into my bed instead of ending up in the bathroom or wherever like I was expecting. When I got out of bed, I noticed things looked awfully realistic, I brreifly wondered if I had somehow done a realtime projection, but when I went out in the hallway a plastic penguin simialer to the one in my room was standing there, except this one had a beak shaped likea toucans. I think this may have been the environments way of telling me I was still in simulation space. I think the lucidity part of the sixth chakra has been activated because all the recent projections I could see in have all been pretty lucid. Anyway I went over to the room but once more I woke up before I could see properly what was inside. This is so frustrating as I haven't been able to properly make it over there since the third eye projection. I just want to find out what I'm supposed to do here. Maybe I should have tried asking questions to some stuff outside the room?

Anyway before going to bed I tried taking some calea leaves to induce lucid dreams and/or sleep parlysis, seems this worked, though not until later in the morning.

EDIT: Looked up penguins on the dream website http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... ch=penguin so maybe this means whatever issue is causing me trouble with the bathrooms might not be something big. One idea is maybe to let go of preconceptions, the reason why I think that is because I think its possible maybe I got ejected was because I was expecting the answer to be in the bathroom when I was supposed to look elsewhere? Then again maybe I just got too excited and woke up, we'll have to see what happens next time.

[defectron]

Hello, defectron.

Alternatively a penguin is an "odd bird." It's rather different from what you would expect when somebody tells you about a bird. And yours even had a different beak, making it a "really odd bird." It could be a message not to fall into the trap of conventional thinking or following preconceptions. Do what the penguin did in its evolution - adapt to your environment.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:42 am

Maybe preconceptions are what need to be gotten rid of?

Anyway I had a few short experiences this morning.

In the first I felt my legs lift into the air, in the past I figured out whenever I get this sensation it's my astral legs. But the odd thing was that I didn't think I was in the right state of mind tobe doing any sort of projecting as I was almost awake. I kind of glanced over at where I felt my legs lifting and actually saw two legs in the air. Oddly these were wearing pants but I wasn't at the time. Later I kinda kicked myself for not taking advantage of that and using it to project, but at the moment I was too confused about why my legs were doing that when I didn't seem to be in the right state.

Later it happened again and this time I did project off it. I was blind again, but I forgot all about using the affirmation or growing a third eye. Anyway I thought I might try something different so instead of going to the room anomaly I headed over to the stairs and leapt down them. I was still blind but it felt like I was falling longer then usual. Eventually I touched down, after doing so I was going to try asking some objects some questions but then I woke up. I still don't know if my projections have been short lately due to doing something against the simulations or if its some other issue. This one would suggest it might be another issue since I didn't try going to the anomaly this time. But I can't say for sure.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:38 am

Had a partial obe today, my arm kind of came out so I started to use it to pull myself out but got too excited and woke up, gotta stop doing that.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:46 am

Ok had some obe stuff going on today

First I had a dream, I was wandering around in the upper floor of a building when I went into a bathroom. But I had a feeling this was the wrong bathroom. So I came out and looked, someone had scraped off the signs for the mens and womens bathroom so it was hard to tell which was which. Anyway after that I realized this was a dream so I tried to phase to the astral but I got blocked. Then I tried jumping to the simulation but still got blocked. Then I thought maybe I wasn't supposed to leave here this time so I began to float away but then I got woken up so it seems that wasn't it. Maybe this time I was supposed to go back to my body and then project out again?

Anyway I had another dream and began to phase to the simulation but woke up about halfway through phasing.

Now the third time was the charm because I actually got out this time. I was lying there half alseep when for some reason I tried phasing my physical arm into my bed which obviously didn't work, but what did work was that my astral arm came out and phased into it. This was really odd, because I was at least semi awake but able to come out. I even reached my pother physcial arm over and touched the arm that had become dissasociated with my astral arm that was currently inside my bed, my physical arm felt numb when I touched it. I then took my astral arm out and used it to pull myself out of my body. I then went out in the hallway and asked the purpose of the simulation. A rack of blue bags then appeared on the wall after I asked that. I went over to the room anomaly and just as I was about to see what was inside I woke up.

Anyway here's a few observations, I looked up bags in the online dream encyclopedia and these symbolise baggage so this must be stuff I still need to get rid of. I probably should have looked inside the bags. another observationis this simulation seems to be trying harder then all the others to keep me out of the open astral since dream phasing only works when I have an exceptionally strong intention to go the simulation and nowhere else, in addition it doesn't even seem to want me to even look at the room anomaly much less go in it. Anyway I need to find out exactly what these issues are I need to get rid of, I've been doing my best to deal with what I can think of but it looks like something may still be there I'm over looking or maybe not looking at from the right angle. Next time I'm going to try to call my spirit guide again to see if I can get some answers here.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:52 am

"First I had a dream, I was wandering around in the upper floor of a building when I went into a bathroom. But I had a feeling this was the wrong bathroom. So I came out and looked, someone had scraped off the signs for the mens and womens bathroom so it was hard to tell which was which. Anyway after that I realized this was a dream so I tried to phase to the astral but I got blocked. Then I tried jumping to the simulation but still got blocked. Then I thought maybe I wasn't supposed to leave here this time so I began to float away but then I got woken up so it seems that wasn't it. Maybe this time I was supposed to go back to my body and then project out again?"
I would say you were supposed to stay there and see what would happen next, walk around the area keeping your lucidity to figure it out.


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:59 pm

Could be, though I actually had decided to stay but it still ended. I can't say whether this was a simulation ejection or something else though.


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:18 pm

Maybe it was just time to get up. Sometimes that happens.
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Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:38 am

ok finnally made it out of that bathroom sinulatioin. It appears my suspicions were correct as tot he nature of what needed to be purged because I'm in a new simulation now.

I rolled out of bed and was blind, forgot to make any effort to see using those methods though. I then made my way to the room anomaly and whent inside. When it came on it was some sort of mini gym/personal trainers area. Anyway I asked the purpose of the simulation but didn't immediatly notice anything, so I pounced on a recling chair and tried asking it some questions but it didn't immediatly respond. Anyway I was about to try calling my guide when I remembered that last time I tried the neg boy showed up and tried to fool me. So before calling I began to try to manifest a katana, just in case any unwelcomr wound the room visitors showed up when I called. I reached over and tried to grab the katana where I imagined it but it wasn't there. In one of the grabs I grabbed some keys though, maybe the chair gave them to me? I looked around the room and found a safe they would unlock. I undid the safe and opened it up. I took out three boxes inside it. In one box were some rubber pipe fasceners, I remember exactly what was in the others, only that it wasn't money, they were all pretty mundane household objects you wouldnt expect to find in a safe, maybe another box was paper clips? I don't rememebr exactly all I remember was at the time I thought "wow this really is lucid, I wonder if I'll remember these little details?" a bit after that the projection ended. I take it the keys and the safe are symbolic for me unlocking something? I don't know what though. I kinda hope it's symbolic of my unlocking the door out of these simulations, but then again it could be refferring to a new ability or something else too. I'll try to figure it out when I get up in the morning.
'
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:18 pm

Here's a couple of dream interpretations of some things I saw in this dream

First is the chair, the recliner seemed slightly out of place in a training room, this chair didn't answer my questions but it did give me the keys. The arm chair interpretation makes sense given the nature of some of the stuff I got rid of.

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... arch=chair

The key is probably the most obvious and important thing here, you need to scroll down to see the interpretation

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... search=key

The key is symbolic of unlocking some opportunity, the question though is what

Then there's the safe, does this mean it wants me to come out with something?

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... earch=safe

pipe is the closest I could find to pipe fastener, I'm not sure how related it is

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... earch=pipe

lastly there were boxes in the safe

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... search=box

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:04 am

Hello, defectron.

Well, you did really well - interacting with the environment like you did. It's interesting that the keys turned when you reached for something, like "This is what you need instead."

Paper clips and pipe fasteners? Both of them have to do with holding two (or more) things together. Things for combining things. And usually you open a safe with a "combination lock." Maybe you're training your skills at "combining?" I'm thinking of Sherlock Holmes when I hear the term (combining = putting one and one together, for example).

You're still learning to figure things out, I guess, but I'd say you're making progress.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:53 am

Yeah that could be symbolic for figuring things out. Though I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to do in this simulation yet. If the safe is there next time I'll have to try harder to remember what all was in there.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:00 pm

Hello, defectron.

There's another thing about symbolism. Sometimes you do a thing without actually knowing exactly what you are doing. You get hints to its nature through the symbols themselves, but the energetic reality remind them stays hidden.

This is very natural. If you have nothing in your mental vocabulary to represent the energetic manipulations you are doing, your actions or choices of action in projections may at times seem enigmatic. That doesn't mean they are not useful or having effect. I would expect quite the contrary.

The world of nonphysical reality is full of phenomena that don't follow our physical ruleset and are not easily translated into terms we immediately understand. Developing these translation skills takes time, and at times you can just take note of it.

I had in the last half year many experiences that only gradually made sense. Many times my ability to translate them did not keep up with them as they came in. That may be frustrating at times but it has ultimately proven helpful for me. Not understanding and not controlling everything all the time is part of the challenge it seems, as hard as this might be to accept at times.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:13 pm

Well I have gotten a little better at interpreting things, when getting past the bathroom simulation I was able to figure out what needed to be purged through some of the symbolism. But there's still quite a few mysterys left to decipher. I'm kind of hoping there will be some hints towards what this was about in dreams that I have.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:26 am

Hello, defectron.

That's one way to go. Another possibility is that the more often such things occur in your simulations, dreams and experiences, the more your inner translation sense will be trained or awoken. Over time then you will be able to figure out what things mean as they occur. Think of it as stimulation to this particular sense.

[defectron]

Well my inner translation senses have improved but I still think they could use alot of work. I had some interesting dreams last night here viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22708&p=142918#p142918 during the last simulation there were some clues in my dreams that helped me get through it, I'm kind of hoping the same will hold true this time around as well. I'll do some reasearch later to see if I can figure out what some of these mean.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:06 am

Ok, just had a new projection

First I had a few semi projectioins from a dream that I can't remember at the moment where I tried to phase out but these ended before beginning

Then I had a new proper projection just now where I ended up in my body and rolled out. Initially I was blind. I wandered over to the door anomaly and went on it, it took a long time for my sight to come back online as I wandered through some place behind the door anomaly. Interestingly enough it came partially online with a bunch of vague images I believe were connected to what I was thinking of. One was a vague image of the farm house I saw in a pervious projection, another was a foggy forest, but neither fully manifested. I tried saying clarity now but that didn't work so well, I also tried growing a third eye but was only able to make a creese in my fore head. When I get the chance I'll have to try properly doing that again. After some wandering I eventually ended up in a place that looked alot like the living room in my house. For some reason I thought this was the real time zone. Not sure why but I went over and knocked everything off the dining room table. I then spotted a suit csae by the door with some sort of coupon looking paper sitting on top of it and ran over to take a look at it to see if it would be there when I woke up and the projection ended. Looking back on it this most likely was not the real time zone as there shouldn't be a suit case by that door. I'll check just to make sure when I get up later.

Anyway interesting thing, I had a feeling earlier I should listen to the astral projection hypnosis cd I got before going to bed, I usually only listen to this on the weekend so this was odd. But then I thought maybe this feelings from my higher self so I gave it a shot. Initially this caused me to fall asleep mid way through and wake up a few hours later. It wasn't quite the time when I usually go to bed so I stayed upa bit before going back to sleep.I read in otherwhere this is a good way to get tot he state one needs to have projections. Sure enough this did end up working.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:07 am

Ok, just had a new projection

First I had a few semi projectioins from a dream that I can't remember at the moment where I tried to phase out but these ended before beginning

Then I had a new proper projection just now where I ended up in my body and rolled out. Initially I was blind. I wandered over to the door anomaly and went on it, it took a long time for my sight to come back online as I wandered through some place behind the door anomaly. Interestingly enough it came partially online with a bunch of vague images I believe were connected to what I was thinking of. One was a vague image of the farm house I saw in a pervious projection, another was a foggy forest, but neither fully manifested. I tried saying clarity now but that didn't work so well, I also tried growing a third eye but was only able to make a creese in my fore head. When I get the chance I'll have to try properly doing that again. After some wandering I eventually ended up in a place that looked alot like the living room in my house. For some reason I thought this was the real time zone. Not sure why but I went over and knocked everything off the dining room table. I then spotted a suit csae by the door with some sort of coupon looking paper sitting on top of it and ran over to take a look at it to see if it would be there when I woke up and the projection ended. Looking back on it this most likely was not the real time zone as there shouldn't be a suit case by that door. I'll check just to make sure when I get up later.

Anyway interesting thing, I had a feeling earlier I should listen to the astral projection hypnosis cd I got before going to bed, I usually only listen to this on the weekend so this was odd. But then I thought maybe this feelings from my higher self so I gave it a shot. Initially this caused me to fall asleep mid way through and wake up a few hours later. It wasn't quite the time when I usually go to bed so I stayed upa bit before going back to sleep.I read in otherwhere this is a good way to get tot he state one needs to have projections. Sure enough this did end up working. I;ll be sure to try harder to listen to that feeling in the future.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:54 am

Had two very short projections the other day. Both times I woke up just as I was rolling out.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:33 am

Had another big breakthrough projection just now

My memory of what happened in the beginning is a bit fuzzy, if I remember more later I'll add it in.

I forget how exactly I got here, whether it was from a dream or projecting directly from my body I don't remember. I was in some kind of dining hall, no one was in there. I kind of get the feeling I was doing something somewhat important before this point but can't remember what it was. Anyway I decided to try asking random objects the purpose of this simulation. So I went over to a flower vase and asked, it sort of pulled back, shrinking away from me. I asked another and the flowers came alive growing several times taller, blossoming new flowers in the process. As it did this I decided to grow too, just in case it was asking me to change sizes again and grew couple feet. I then asked to talk to my spirit guide, at first nothing happened, but then I heard something coming down the hallway. I turned to see a very disfigured hunch back wheeling himself along in an office chair, he looked like this guy http://mag.reelshowint.com/2010/07/12/p ... ack-movie/. But unlike the creepy little kid from that other time I wasn't getting any bad vibes from him, he was the real deal. I went over and wheeled him into the room saying "Come on Quasimoto we gotta have a talk" I tried asking him some questions but what he was saying didn't really make sense, it was then he turned into a staticy flat screen tv. I said "come on at least give me a clue" So I pressed my hands against the screen, pushing them inside. When I pulled them out, they were cupped around sand, amid the sand grains was a tiny broken pencil, barely larger then the grains of sand. This must have been the clue I had asked for. After that the projection ended.

Here's some stuff from the dream site, still not entirely sure what the lesson was I'm supposed to learn in this simulation though the below links seem to indicate there's some situation that needs to be handeled diffently? Dunno what though. The flowers might mean I'm supposed to bring out some sort of hidden talents as well.

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... &search=tv

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... earch=sand

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... rch=pencil

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... ch=flowers

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... =hunchback

edit: had another short projection, once again I dont remember how I exited, I may have been in the dining room again. I don't think my mind was in fully lucid mode though cuz instead of trying to figure out what was going on I just started practicing shape shifting with mixed success.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:58 pm

Hello, defectron.

Being able to sense through appearances and sensing the function of someone is a 4th chakra skill. It also helps you to discern whose benign and who's not. This might have been largely the purpose of the simulation, probably even finishing up the development of the 4th chakra with this initiatory test.

Talking to someone, however, has more to do with the 5th chakra. Writing is one way of exchanging information - the pencil, however, is broken. Grains of sand and static-y screen - the sand grains could stand for "grainy" (as in coarse, bad resolution) and the screen for having trouble receiving (TV is a "broadcast medium). In other words, all the symbols could mean that the right equipment for sending messages and receiving them on this level might not yet be fully online.

This might also be the reason why your experiences are more involved with decoding clues than straight answers. You're slowly building your "symbol decoding" skills, which will in turn lead to development of the fifth and sixth chakras and the ability to exchange information in a more straightforward way.

No matter what, being able to recognise the function of a being is a very vital skill, and it's good that you're mastering it. You also did a wonderful job inquiring and decoding. You're definitely making progress. Just like the flowers you're experiencing impressive growth.

Cheers,
Oliver


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:27 pm

Yeah could be that these recent simulations have all had to do with communication. The "putting stuff together" symbolism from the safe simulation could relate to that.There have been some times in the past when I could communicate with entitys I met, though it's always been pretty breif, for example when I asked the ape man back during that christmas projection if it was a communication based simulation and he said yes. So maybe the amount that chakra functions correctly hasn't completely stabalized yet?

New post
by Korpo on Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:06 pm

Hello, defectron.

I think you're right on the money. These things have their ups and downs, like any other thing, and developing a chakra is not "just one thing" - we just tend to think of them as one thing. So, you're putting it together. And yes, I was thinking of your simulation with the safe as well.

Cheers,

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:19 am

Had a short projection today.

First I had a sort of projection where I began to roll out but woke up.

then I had another one from a dream. I dreampt I was a giant wandering around the city the ninja turtles live in for some reason. At some point I realized this was a dream and phased out of it. After the phase ended I appeared on top of my bed. I rushed over to the room with the anomaly and crashe dinto a chair which actually hurt. I then began to feel myself beginning to wake up so I tried something new. I looked over by the room anomaly and focused on teleporting myself over to it which I did. I managed to breifly see inside it looked like a shed with gardening tools before I woke up.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:59 am

Had an ap that seemed to be mixed with a dream.

It started in a dream where I was in some kind of hotel with my pet tortois, his front legs had been kinda immobilized with goose poop, but I helped him wash this off. after doing so he began to swim around in the air. At first I kinda wondered how he was doing this, then a thought came to me that he was astral projecting which is why he could fly around like that. He then landed and pressed his head against the wall and began to push through it, I put my hand on his back and did the same. We sort of traveled through some shadowy area after phasing through the wall and I lost track of him for a bit. I do recall we met back up later at another part though. Later I think this sort of got mixed up with a dream because I seemed to get less lucid I was still phasing through stuff though. Around this time some sort of strange cartoony dog began to talking to me while I was phasing through a wall, around this time I woke up.

I'm guessing that this probably wasn't my real tortois, he did show up in another AP where he was stuck in a terrarium but in this one he was only about half the size he was in that other one.

Had another short projection:

This time my feet automaticaly seemed to raise into the air which I recognized as a partial projection, I used this to kick out. A thought occurred to me earlier, during the earlier ap/dream with the tortois, I was phasing all over the place, in the past the simulations prevented me from phasing to places besides the simulations. So I had a thought, maybe they would let me go to the outer astral if that was the case? I decided to give it a try so I placed my hands on the floor and phased witht he intent of making it to somewhere new. I was not blocked as I began to phase into the floor. As my face passed through it wasn't the usual sea of blackness that I tend to get immerersed in, but I was passing into some place that seemed to be sinde a sea of bright greenish liquid complete with shining bubbles flowing in it. I seemed to have a bit trouble breathing which was most likely psychological but managed to get past that. This was really lucid, unfortunately my phasing was too long and I ended up waking up before I could fully phase into it. If I try to go to the astral again, maybe I should use another method since I have a tendency to wake up half the time when I get caught in a long phase.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:26 am

Had another short projection this morning, this one started as a dream where I was outside some building in the rain. Somehow I realized this was a dream so I put my hands on the door of the building and phased through it, for some reason I tried to phase to Area 51, this didn't work though and I ended up inside a hotel. It was a really realistic one too, so much so I wondered if this could be a real place, but there's no way I could find out if it is or not. Unfortunately I ended up getting destracted here when I tried shape shifting for some reason, didn't work too well though as it just caused a fake pair of arms to appear on me. Apparantly I got too distrated because it ended there. Gotta remember not to get distracted by stuff next time.

[defectron]

Hallo Defectron
Regarding Area 51 --- I have read several OBE accounts of people trying to visit Area 51 OOB. Nobody, to my knowledge, has been successful. This leads me to speculate that perhaps there is some sort of psychic shield or discarnate guardians protecting that place (which btw would Not surprise me at ALL).

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:03 pm

Hello, greytraveller.

Certainly a possibility, I think it was in one of Monroe's books that he was somehow blocked from reaching the president or something similar on one occasion, IIRC. One has to wonder if that was an accurate perception of his or if he was assigning a certain symbolic interpretation to the psychic inaccessibility of such a person and took it literal.

On the other hand, many people report having a hard time getting to places they don't know or have a clear ident of. Since nobody who tried ever was to Area 51 nor knows what it looks like up close, they might have had no valid ident to get to the place.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:59 pm

Well I'm not even sure if I made it to the real time zone or not. The place I landed in did look indestinguishable from a physical envornment one might see in our world, as there were no really strange objects about like there usually are in my projections and it was also very crisp and solid looking unlike dream images, but I have no way of verifying that it was a physical place, because if it was one, it was one that I'm not familiar with. It obviously wasn't area 51 though as it looked like a public place, probably some expensive hotel. Next time I'll probably try to call my guide again and try to talk with him/her/it to see if I can find out what that was about.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:20 pm

Hello, defectron.

I have had experiences that looked very real, and I think these occasions were astral. The quality of the light can be a clue at times, and sometimes I simply know where I was. Also in hindsight one such sequence was preceded or followed by "clues" - such as impossible spatial arrangements. The experience itself, however, would have been indistinguishable, mostly.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:39 am

Had a new projection today, rolled out and went over to the door anomaly. The bathroom is back so it looks like I gotta take care of a few issues. When I looked in the mirror I saw that my third eye was back without me even needing to call on it. It didn't unnerve me this time like it did the last time I saw it, it felt normal to have it there. Anyway although I think I know at least one of the issues that needs sorting out since I let something fall out of balkance a bit recently I wasn't sure at the time so I asked what it was that needed to be purged. And here's where things got a little odd. I noticed in the reflection of the mirror my dead Aunt who I breifly saw in a previous projection was coming into the room behind me. I whirled around to look but she wasn't there. Now this is odd, I can't imagine what associated with my aunt would need purging. It is true when I first saw her in that projection I was a little apprehensive since I knew that if this was my real aunt and was somehow involved in the simulations she'd know all my secrets which didn't sit well with me at the time. But this is an issue that I've since made peace with and come to accept so its not that. It was then I tried asking some sort of cardboard stand sitting on top of a file cabinet which was in the bathroom for some reason what needed purging and the projection ended after that. The presence of the file cabinet may be another clue since you usually don't see those in bathrooms.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:47 am

Right away I think your Aunt may symbolize the fact that someone else may know your innermost thoughts. So maybe that's something you need to deal with. I guess you know what else she may mean, but that's what came to mind when I read your account.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 pm

Hello, defectron.

I wonder what you would have found if you had actually investigated the file cabinet regarding its contents.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:31 pm

I wonder what you would have found if you had actually investigated the file cabinet regarding its contents.


yeah I know, I wish I had thought of that back then but at the time the file cabinet didn't seem that special to me. It wasn't until later I thought "Hey there was a file cabinet in that bathroom! What could it mean?"

Right away I think your Aunt may symbolize the fact that someone else may know your innermost thoughts. So maybe that's something you need to deal with.


Yeah that was an issue for me but I thought I had gotten past that. Though I did ask myself if I would be ok talking with dead relitives who could read my mind and even though it doesnt bother me as much I still think it makes me a little uncomfortable. So it might be part of this afterall.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:39 pm

Had a short blind projection today, from what I can tellt he bathroom is still there so I'm not done with it yet.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:22 am

Had an almost projection today. I was in a dream when I realized that I could project. I had an idea to try the method of flying into the sky to get to the astral so I blasted through the window flying outside. I then flew up into the nightsky and paused as I reached the tops of some big metal electrical towers that were going over some mountains. In the distance what looked like a huge insectoid alien skeliton was floating in the sky. It was all so big, black and intimidating I just decided to try going to the astral using the phasing method, so I went back down and began to phase intot he ground but took too long and woke up. I'm kinda regretting not following through with the sky method, I'll have to try that when I get another chance.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:31 am

Had some short projections today

First I had one where I tumbled out blind and went over tot he room anomaly. Funny thing is the room didn't seem to be properly sturctured this time. When I tried to touch the wall I just got a sort of tingly feeling simialer to when I phase but not as intense. After that I woke up. I had an almost projection later where I automatically began to floa tup out of my body, but unfortunately the surprise of this happening was great enough to wake me up.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:18 pm

Today I had an almost projection that started in a dream where I was in a bank that had been hit by a snowstorm. While I was waiting in line I realized that this was a dream and then tried to phase through the floor. That didn't work, possibly because the simulation blocked it so I tried the wall witht he same result. I then remembered that I could try flying intot he sky to get tot he astral so I began to run towards the door. When I did this a bunch of midgets who looked like oompa loompas from willy wonkas chocolate factory came out to try to stop me. I leapt intot he air and began to fly towards the window, but it just seemed really far away, I flew faster and hit it, smashing through it. I then flew intot he sky, for some reason it was summer out now even though there was a blizzard earlier so I took off most of my winter clothes as I was flying, but I had trouble with my coat, it was coming off really slowly and seemed to have the same effect as when I get stuck in a slow phase which woke me up before I could fly further.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:56 am

Had a really interesting projection just now

I rolled out of my body blind, on the wrong side of the bed too. I then got off and made my way over to the room anomaly. The bathroom was there but I didn't stick around this time. I then went downstairs and asked some questions to a picture on the wall regarding the nature of the simulation. The picture changed to look like one of my family, I'm assuming this is symbolic of interconnectedness given something that I hear later on. Anyway I then called my guide, at first nothing happened, but then a rather tall old woman ambeled up the stairs. I then asked her if she was my guide which she said was correct. I asked her some other questions, I don't remember the answer to all of them though. One I asked was if she was human, her response was something like "Don't I look like a human to you?" there was some reason I don't completely remember she gave to why she looked like quasimoto the last time we met. Anyway somehow we got on the subject of jesus. Apparantly she was a Christian woman, though since she was no longer in the physical she had the opportunity to actually meet Jesus saying something to the effect of "Yes he's real, I met him and he's just as real as anyone you might meet.". We then got onto the topic of how he got resurected. Both Kurt leland and The master of the key have said that the resurection was actually an obe. But I also said it is possible that he did physically get resurected too since I believe that our physical world is an illusion which can be manipulated by those who know how. The response she gave appeared to evade my question, though, now that I think of it, maybe it was a real answer. She said I was correct in my views on the physical universe and that the barrier "between here and there is not real". Essentially she said something to the effect that the only differences between the physical and the astral are those that we make, if we knew what we were doing more, there really wouldn't be a difference. What I mean by that being a real answer has to do with the meaning of what she said, the only difference between the physical and the astral is how we perceive it, everything is actually interconnected. So in effect both views on how he came back to life could be correct at the same time. One other thing I am interested in, is alternate universes. I brought this up, she confirmed that yes alternate universes are real, since we were on the subject of Jesus I asked "Can we go look at one of the alternate realitys where he never died?" she was like "sure lets go" we got in a flying car and were about to head out, but unfortuntely I ended up waking up before we could get there.

Interesting thing , a couple weeks ago I had a dream I didn't remember very well where someone told would go on a journey on thursday, thursday came and went but nothing happened, but this happened on a thursday, maybe the dream was referring to this.