After taking Bruce Moen's 'Afterlife Guide Book' off the shelf again (I had stopped somewhere after getting through the first third some months ago) I became fascinated again by this topic.

The technique he proposes in this course seems to rely more on phasing or remote viewing than on OBE, unlike the Lifeline program in TMI (which he also did I suppose). But correct me if I am wrong, please. It is just my impression.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/lifeline/about/

Moen of course uses relaxation techniques, some of which even resemble the Robert's system, some of it also contains TMI's rebal technique, for instance.

However, you do not seem to get deep into trance as for OBEs, but rather use visualisation and even initial pretending/fantasy techniques that allow to get an access to the non-physical, so there is a continuum / spectrum ranging from a pure pretending to real nonphysical experience where even later verification is said to be possible. Still, as you also "move about" in the non-physical, that's why I suspect it to be a kind of "phasing" after all (that's why I still put it into the OBE Forum).

For those who are not familiar with the process, here in short:

After preparatory exercises to get into a 'state', you call a helper (his word for guides, angels, so I stick to it) who are always around and then lead you to a person to (help) retrieve, because helpers cannot do it alone as some retrievees can communicate better with incarnated retrievers instead of angels / guides. However your main task is to "introduce" them to the guide who then appears, mostly as a person, (it's similar to telling them to "go into the light"), so they can "take over" then.
Then you can follow helper and retrievee and later ask the helper to guide you in the non-physical world to wherever you want to go and to whatever you want to know and explore. So it is a kind of trade-off. So doing this is not only action in the "path of service" but also might even be a bit selfish. But hey .... everyone is served, the helper, the stuck person and you as retrieval 'trainee'. Moreover, it helps you evolve and if you evolve it is good for the humanity as a whole, too, since every indidivual counts. So I think the "deal" is pretty okay.

Here are some online examples of retrieval accounts that I found:

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/ ... retrievals

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welco ... 971.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welco ... 033.0.html

So I decided to integrate this technique (next to all the other OBE/energywork related things) into my weekly/daily routines, possibly merge it with meditation since for me there is a meditative aspect in it. However, I might also try to start it from a lucid dream/projection (see "agreement" below) in future.

Yesterday I had my first try. I am highly skeptical it will work at all for me, it all might not be more than pretending, especially since those things could not work for me if I am not deeply relaxed (which is difficult for me anyway). But I decided to give it a try. I still use hemisync sounds earphones because I cannot do without, otherwise I try to use Moen's methods only for this.

I do the entries as shorthand / note form, I call each entry retrieval even though I cannot be sure it actually was a 'real' one. As this is supposed to become a journal like other member's dream/OBE journals, so here now is my first exercise from yesterday.


RETRIEVAL 1: "Isabelle"

(PRE)CONDITIONS:

Methods: preps like visualising and energy gathering, deep breathing, meditation,
Sounds: schuman earth resonance frequency modulation with rain sounds in in background
Position: recumbent on bed
Body Sensations: after a while almost in Focus-10, but not quite, no complete dis-association from body, but a warm aura-like (and good) feeling around me

CHRONOLOGY:

after preps and meditation finished called for helper and waited
first impression of a "Frank" appearing, but only very fuzzy, hardly feel a presence
it seems I want a woman, so it changes again

presence felt is now stronger
finally then I see the face of a nice brunett/dark-haired woman with a little perky (but very friendly, pleasant) smile.
name that comes to me: "Ludmilla" ( !!)
again I ask her if she is a "helper" and she confirmed with another smile
I ask her to lead me the way to the person to be retrieved

we get to a white house somewhere in a big city not far from mine (possibly Frankfurt)
but it's a suburban middle-class area mixed with single-family houses and appartment buildings
inside we get into a small living/private office room
woman sitting before a computer
half-long hair, possibly red, possibly wearing glasses but not sure anymore
we do small talk and I ask her the name
she says Isabella or Isabel(le), last name seems to be Schneider,
(this however makes me a bit suspicious: the 2nd first name given now also ends on "lla", so is this all a schematic invention?)
the helper comes into the scene from the left and they leave
things get fuzzy now, it darkens
maybe I lost it, don't know if I could follow whereever they went
possibly focus 27, I see some mountains from birds-eye view

I meet again with helper in another place
first I cannot decide on where she is to take me
(that's bad, need to work on this and make a plan beforehand!)
then I ask to lead me to Irene again to get to know more about her

excursion for explanatory reasons:
Irene was one of the guys I met in a kind of university / library / school during a projection
she was actually kind of organising, leading or guiding a group of students,
she was actually standing in the middle of this group, with paper work or notepads in her arms and explaining things to them when I had arrived (at a kind of reception or lobby of a greater hall)
I then had embraced her (don't ask me why) and told her that I am a projector and "in a body now",
then s.o. else took over to lead me further through this place.
here's my first account of this: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9378&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30# p139227
however, I recently came to suspect that this "astral school" might be part of my Higher Self (also because it was an emotionally set intention of mine to meet my HS, I did this over many weeks before that projection)
and thus the 'students' in there (all around their mid-twenties btw) might have been incarnations of mine
however, I have no good grounds to prove to me this intuition, that's why i want to clarify now by meeting Irene
(as said, one of my strongest wishes for nonphysical exploration is indeed to "meet" my HS-incarnations)

I see Irene now
I see her in 18th (or 19th) century clothes getting out of a coach, after I asked her when she had lived on the physical plane
I cannot get a clear answer somehow if she is/was an incarnation/aspect of mine, or I don't remember it
I also learn she had 2 children and it was a lucky life
the city named is Potsdam
the last name given to me is sth like "Karlsbader" (a check reveals that this is not a common surname at all, it could rather be another town, Karlsbad, so it remains pretty inconclusive for me)
she also tells me she was a teacher then (like she seemed to be somehow in that non-physical "school", too)

last talk is with my helper Ludmilla again
I tell with her that it is probably easier for me to "get out" for retrievals from a lucid dream
so I ask her if this would be possible
she smiles and says yes
so we agree to try also to get on retrieval tours from one of my dreams
(which does not mean that I drop Moen's technique, I will do both)

AFTERTHOUGHTS AND AFTERMATH:

tonite I probably dreamt of Ludmilla, I don't remember her face from the dream, and if I identified her in that dream as Ludmilla
but the rest of the appearance (hair, body shape, age) seems to fit, and the content (which is my ONLY memory from that night) makes sense:
she's sitting at a desk (could have been a school, not sure), gesticulating a bit, also combing back her hair
while she is explaining to me sth about how to get into contact with my HS from the physical by myself
problem is: I completely lost what she said in detail and don't remember any of it
possibly it was sth about perceiver/interpreter techniques and retrieving the information somehow in
bits & pieces and putting it together again (I remember the concept - not the words "bits and pieces" - or sth describing a kind of cyclical information gaining method used)
but it is really sad that I don't remember anything of it clearly, need to ask her again

I generally hope to meet Ludmilla again (be it in dreams, projections or (assumed) retrieval phasings).
She's so nice. And it seems good for me to 'work with' her.

And: She is cute.