HOW I GO ABOUT RETRIEVALS

This is how I go about doing retrievals.

Let me first of all state that in most of my sessions I don't intend to
go for retrievals, and often I have some other goal like getting answer
to a question, doing healing to someone I know, try to OBE or just hope
for some good energy work. Sometimes I have no expectations at all and
try to be open to anything.

Being open to do retrievals is just one part of many things I want to do.

(Note: This text is long and may not be without faults or unclear parts.)


GETTING RESULTS

The question is when will you get results, when will you get your your
first retrieval?

I did NEW with meditation & OBE attempted sessions for half a year, before
getting my first Moen-style retrieval. I would guess that it can take anything
from one attempt to more than a year to make any successful retrieval. It has
also been reported from many people who have tried the Moen method, that they
have gotten very different results. Some people get one very clear retrieval
followed by many retrievals with very poor perception and then perhaps give up,
any further attempts.

Most of the time, I get my retrievals after I've entered a deep meditative
state, but on a few occasions the retrievals have started within less than
5 minutes of almost no preparations. One one occasion my retrievals started
AFTER I was done with my session and was just resting. So my guess is that
deep meditation will help, but it's not absolutely necessary to be in a deeply
relaxed state to get a retrieval going.

Also, there usually has to pass about 2-3 weeks between my retrievals, give or
take 1 week. And I think my retrievals are prepared & arranged by astral
discarnates, so I can't do much to get things going. I have to patiently wait.

I am also under the impression that there is some kind of internal
development in me after a retrieval. That development has to be taken
care of before I can do the next retrieval. But I'm not absolutely sure
about the existence this development-adaption issue.


BACKGROUND

Maybe I should give some background. I'm +40 years and I'm poor at
doing OBEs. My LDs tend to be short and far between in time. When I
get to view the 3-D blackness in a session, I usually can't hold it
for more than 30 seconds.

I've had one very mild kundalini like experience.

Before I managed to successfully start with retrievals I had a lot
(still have) of physical sensations during my sessions, like the
feeling of a thumb pressing with painful force on the top of my
crown. Most physical sensations have greatly been reduced over time.

I often do NEW or some kind of energy work which I at least imagine is
similar to NEW, about once a day for 15 minutes - 1 hour.

While doing a session, I sometimes listen to Hemi-Sync of various kinds;
MetaMusic, HumanPlus, JOOB, Wave etc.

I have wondered if my detailed remembered retrievals are the results
of me having done retrievals for many years, but without fully knowing
what I was doing. It wasn't until I read Monroe's & Moen's book that I
found a tool which worked more directly. Most of my much older retrievals
have been from C1 in clear daylight (or in the evening) and with me only
sensing (no visuals or sounds) the presence of a discarnate with whom I've
spoken to verbally in the physical.

My retrievals in those early days were nothing like the methods Moen teaches,
instead I acted verbally only, in C1 based on emotions I received. Occasionally
I still do old-style retrievals, and now I know more how to deal with them.



LONG TERM PREPARATIONS

I can't prove that NEW or Hemi-Sync aid in doing retrievals or do anything
helpful at all. But because I get some kind of physical sensations, sometimes
I see 2-D images with my physical eyes, I think that both energy work and
Hemi-Sync speed up the process of developing better abilities to work with
the astral. I regard those various physical sensations as some kind of
development over time. I don't know where it will lead me.


MY STEP-BY-STEP METHOD

Let me first state that the retrieval person doesn't need to be a human or
even a being from physical Earth, so view the expression "retrieval person"
in a broad sense.

I've divided my method into several points, so they can easily be referenced.
At the end I have some additional comments, from little different point of
views. I go about retrievals like this:


1. Sometimes I begin with setting intent one day in advance. I may state
something loudly like talking to some imaginary being and say: "Tomorrow
I will do a retrieval. If you want to, you may prepare a retrieval for me."

The "you" is directed to any astral Helpers and I say it in physical.

2. The next day, I may state verbally: "Now I will do a retrieval."
And I start a session, sometimes with any random Hemi-Sync CD in headphones;
MetaMusic, HumanPlus, JOOB etc. At other times I begin with no expectations
or no Hemi-Sync at all.


3. I lay down, eyes closed and state: "I request help from those Helpers or
Guides, who know more than me, less than me or as much as me and who want to
help me do OBE, projection, healing of myself or others, retrievals of Aspects
or of others, get information, remove obstacles for myself & others, get
personal growth of myself or others. And I'm open to anything else including
that any of you may modify me in any way you want."

Sometimes I direct myself specifically to my I-There or Total Self, instead
of using the more general words Helpers or Guides, just to see if I get any
different result.

I know that the "modify" part may not be to everybody's likings.
I don't advice it either, as I still don't know the end result, it will
probably take years before I know if my request for random modifications
bear fruit. What kind of fruit, one may ask, too.

(Note: One channelled entity in the TMI Explorer Tapes has stated that you
should not request help from anyone less than you, so I'm not sure I do
the right thing. At the same time I don't want to exclude anyone just based
on knowledge as they may have other useful astral abilities.)

I think that at least one member of my I-There is a non-human being, which
I named Almost-Turtle, because it looks like a big, prehistoric turtle.
This Almost-Turtle may know less (on certain things) than me if it only has
animal intelligence, but may possess other abilities, like much greater wisdom.


4A. Laying down I do the Moen "circulation" of non-physical energy. I
imagine that I draw up energy through my soles and through my body up
to the crown of my head an out into infinity. A part of the energy from
my crown is circulated in a balloon shape around me down to my soles again.
I do this three times as I take deep breaths each time, constantly making
the energy move around on both in and out breaths. See AKG for details.

4B. I do the same three breaths/circulations but now in the opposite
direction, from my crown down to my soles.

(Note: Moen does this a little differently in his AKG book, so you may
want to check that out. I think Moen's energy gathering is a sort of a
Monroe REBAL.)

4C. I bounce energy in a kind of NEW style, from the soles of my feet
to my crown. The bounce is done by an inch thick imaginary disc with a
diameter of about one meter. The disc moves up and down through my body,
like the slice of a cucumber. I change speed at times and bounce maybe
15 times in total.

4D. Sometimes I do the tense-then-relax two body parts at a time, in
pairs, for a few seconds. Sometimes I skip doing any relaxation techniques.

5. Sometimes I "put intent" to do a retrieval at this point in time, by
thinking about some very short retrieval episode/scene I know of. I'm
not always doing it as Moen suggests; the so called Silly Little Finger
Exercise (in AKG), but I think I do something very similar if not exactly
the same.


6A. I gather PUL into my being. You can read about that in the start of
this thread. I alternate between thinking of a person and thinking of
a nice place outdoors, where I've been.

6B. To "prime the pumps" I do the Moen exercise, to peel an orange, eat
it, taste it and feel it in my mind's hand. Or a clementine, which is
easier to peel. The purpose is to help the retrieval scene to emerge.
Sometimes I peel more than clementine.

7. Then I wait. And I try to un-see. To un-see means that I don't focus
visually. Instead I do something which is hard to describe, but I stop
watching. I stop looking at the back of my eyelids. You could say that
I stop "Noticing". Stop seeing. I unsee. Un-see.

8A. I wait. And wait.

8B. I become single minded or empty minded. Wait.

8C. I try to go deep into my session mode. Deep. I relax. And wait.
Close to sleep.

9. Wait. Wait. Wait.

10. Sometimes I may get bored and look again at the swirls or darkness
in front of me. Then I return to unsee. As I unsee I try to sense. Is
there anything around? If I'm unlucky, I fall asleep.

11. If nothing happens after about one hour, I usually feel that I'm
somehow done and finish the session. Sometimes I may have other kinds
of experiences than retrievals, like physical sensations or see some
odd vision, even meeting guides.

12. If I get to see the grainy 3-D darkness, I'm usually close to finishing
the session, but sometimes I continue.


13. So I don't see. I perceive, and sometimes I get a view as a 2-D image.
I don't imagine. I wait. Un-see. And try to perceive, sense if anything is
present.

Sometimes I notice that I go into a sort of sleep/dream state. Then I wake
myself up by quickly trying to remember what has happened, to stay more
awake than asleep, which makes me remember almost everything of the
retrieval as I always want to write it down afterwards.

If I start to sleep, I quickly start to dream. And dreams are easily lost
on awakening. I try to stay awake.


14. If 11 & 12 are not reached, a retrieval may occur. I never request to
meet any Helper to start the retrieval, and I've never managed to start
a retrieval from the 3-D darkness in a Ginny/Selski/Moen style. Retrievals
start differently for me. Ginny does things different than me.

I unsee and suddenly:

I may get a non-visual vision in my mind's eye. On a few occasions the
vision may start with me seeing a blurry image with my physical eyes,
but the scene very quickly moves to a non-vision image, and from that on
I view the scene and actions by un-seeing.

If my retrievals start with a 2-D scenario image at the back of my eyelids,
while I still am in "see" mode, I may even see some kind of movement in the
scene, but soon the image shifts into non-physical vision and I start to unsee.

How can I "see" anything if I unsee? Well, try to get the image of the
Statue of Liberty into your mind. Can you see it in your mind's eye? I
sort of do that, but I try to not imagine too much. If I would see the
Statue of Liberty, I try to perceive/sense what more I can non-physical
view. I also try to perceive any emotions and observe any thoughts that
get into my mind throughout the scene's actions and my interaction.


15. Now I'm in un-see mode and I "see" something. It may be a wooden stair.
Some outdoor settings. A road. Perhaps one or more persons in front of me.
It can be a factory, workshop, a train viewed from the outside or a ship.
It can be a beach, a huge room or a forest.

The scene is non-visual but very clear in many details. Other details may
be more blurry or completely unviewable, specially if they are far away.


16. I usually also get feelings, emotions and impressions of the scene.
If I'm lucid enough I will notice that I'm still in C1, and I'm fed a lot
of info about the scene. I can slow down and try to sense what's around me
but usually I get the feeling that "someone" wants me to keep some speed
in my actions once things starts rolling. I may have rapid changes of
my place, sudden shifts of location. Usually I may see a building from the
outside, and in an instant I'm inside the building, without any actual
movement or attempt to move from my part.

I'm very poor at switching between the Moen "Perceiver & Interpreter" modes.
I want to stay in Interpreter mode as much as possible and just be fed with
impressions of the scene. If I go deeply into Perceiver mode I too easily
click out and forget what happened.


17. The emotions and informations I get into my mind may come slowly at
first but in bunches, like time period, mode of the scene, state of
mind of any thoughtforms. Well, thoughtforms don't have states of mind,
but someone has applied their expectations to the thoughtforms so I may
get a sense of mode in the surroundings or the purpose of a thoughtform.
For example I may see a bald man in a white shirt, he is a thoughtform
and at the same time I get the impression that he is a CEO of a company.
Sometimes I may start with seeing only part of the scene like a doorway,
then my view expands to show me an old saloon.

When I get to see the person who needs to be retrieved, the flow of emotions
may increase and I may get some info which is aimed at helping me doing my
retrieval. It can be things like, "this man killed his girlfriend", "this
person is a drug addict", "this person is in a good mood, but stuck because
she is waiting for someone", "this person is hard working and arrogant, but
puzzled at the same time", "this person feels worthless and depressed", etc.

Sometimes the retrieval person may get into my vision so quickly that I have
to stop the action for a few seconds to figure out that the person in fact
is the one who needs retrieval. The start of most of my retrievals are
often confusing until I figure out that I'm in fact in a retrieval scenario.
If I see more than person, I wait and try to figure out who is who. At
times I just know whom I should follow from the start.

I never get any particular warning that a retrieval has started. I just
have to be observant.


18. Action. Now when I know the scenario, the surroundings, the persons who
are thoughtforms, the buildings, furniture and the mood of the retrieval
person, things may start rolling. It can happen fast. Some retrievals are
over in a minute or a few minutes. Writing them down can take hours because
of the amount of impressions, details of the scene and actions quickly
unfolding. A single retrieval seldom takes more than 10 minutes, but my
preparation and relaxation phase may take more than half an hour. On a few
occasions the retrieval has started within a minute, but that's unusual.

Sometimes my perception of myself may alternate between first person and third
person. When I switch to third person, I may find myself look different,
having a different age, hair color or body shape, being non-human, wearing
different clothes than I normally do, and I usually fit very well into the
time era and expectations of the retrieval person. While in third person, I'm
not _completely_ in third person as I'm at the same time an individual acting
in the scene. The third person mode is more like a kind of bi-location mode.


19A. My own actions. The scene may change as the retrieval person is moving,
perhaps by bike or walking or moving some items around. At this stage I'm
not completely lucid. I have to concentrate both on going with the flow of
the scene and remain concentrated on my task as things may not go as
smoothly as the Helpers have expected.

One thing I try to keep in my mind at all times is to send PUL. At a few
times I have not been able to send PUL early enough, and I don't know if
that is due to lack of concentration on my side or that there was some
kind of purpose of initially keeping me appear more neutral in the eyes
of the retrieval person.

But I think it is wise to send PUL as soon as the retrieval person shows
signs of distress, fear, distrust, refusal or if the scene turns into
something threatening or gets hostile darkness. I've at a few times sent PUL
covering the whole area of the scene, not just to the retrieval person.

I am under the impression that I must talk to the retrieval person to
transfer energy and get the person's attention to initiate the retrieval
and open the opportunity for Helpers to step in as soon as possible. I have
often noticed that my words come natural and that I will tend to offer or ask
the person to go to some nicer place or to meet someone the person recognize.
Sometimes my actions and words come so natural that I act like a
pre-programmed intelligent robot. I guess that I act out the scene
in accordance with some kind of plan made by Helpers.