(...continued.)
Now to one very strange thing:
At some odd times I may get the intention to carry out an action, but I
doesn't seem to have created the intention myself. In the moment I become
aware of the intention, the intention feels like it has been put into me by
some outside force. At the same instant, the scene or the retrieval person may
react in a way, which indicates to me that I may in fact already have carried
out the action, somehow in advance of, or in the same moment as I become aware
of my intention. Yet I may think that I haven't actually carried out the action,
as I still only am aware that I received the intention to do the action. This
odd effect before action is sometimes a little disturbing to me. Or perhaps my
action and the effect come at exactly the same time, but my awareness of doing
the action comes first afterwards, which even may cause me to redo/repeat the
action once I become aware of my intention. I'm not sure at all times what has
happened. If any of you experiences this, effect-before-action and figures out
what happens, please let me know.
Talking to persons is done by me stating a question in my head, and then
I very quickly get my own thoughts as answers, like someone pushes their
thoughts into my mind and those thought immediately become my thoughts.
This happens so fast sometimes that I don't always figure out that I have
got the answer almost in the same moment I formulate my question. And I
use the same method to talk to Helpers & Guides. Some retrieval persons
may not respond at times. Finding what triggers a response can be tricky,
but sending PUL helps. Some Aspects of Self never respond, but can still
be integrated and merged with.
Click outs. Sometimes I may click out, but I've also noticed that the more
retrievals I do, the less I click out. But I may still experience shift
of scenes quite dramatically, from being indoors, to suddenly being outdoors
with the retrieval person.
Eventually things will unfold to a kind of natural end and the person will
move on somewhere. I don't see any Helpers in many cases, but sometimes I
can feel their presence.
19B. My own actions when retrieving an Aspects of Self. An Aspect is not
always as coherent as a discarnate person. Things seem to be different
and I have to trust the scenario and my "automatic" actions much more.
When retrieving an Aspect of Self I don't think it always is sufficient
enough to only send PUL in the form of love. I have felt that I also have to
send feelings of Acceptance. I think Moen calls that PULA (PUL Acceptance),
but I'm not totally sure.
Sometimes it has been enough for me to call my Aspects to me and allow them
to enter me, all by themselves. But at other times I have had to hug or lift
up my Aspect from the floor and push it into me so we merge. I usually tell
the Aspect that it is accepted, I want it back into me, so we can be one.
I think that the purpose of retrievals of Aspects of Self is to merge with
lost Aspects, so they no longer are alone and so I'm no longer incomplete.
I think that if the Aspect can't move on its own, I have to non-physically,
in my minds eye, take action and lift and hug/embrace my Aspect and push it
towards me so it merges into my chest.
Sometimes when reading about Aspect retrievals, people mentions that this
kind of retrieval is the hardest to do as there are so many emotions involved.
I agree with that statement.
Sometimes the retrieval of an Aspect may be from an already discarnate.
Such an Aspect just has to be moved to F 27 by Helpers, I guess.
When retrieving and merging with my own Aspects of Self I've several times
felt fear and had some disturbing feelings, sometimes days after.
20. I have often had to do more than one retrieval at a the same session.
So when I'm finished with one retrieval, I wait and sense for new
surroundings. If I see something, I often have a new retrieval going
during the same session.
If I have gotten more than retrieval in the same session, the first
retrieval has always been the hardest one to complete and also the one
which has taken the most time and interaction from my part.
Two or three retrievals are not unusual in the same session for me, when
things start going.
I've had one sessions where I switched between two different retrieval
sites, as the first retrieval had to be rebuilt (by Helpers) with better
non-visual clarity for me.
21. After retrievals I can sometimes have residue feelings. I try to
seek out a guide or place and request to be cleared and healed of any
such bad emotions. I do this with a kind of varied success.
Sometimes the healing has to take place on the next day's session.
At some times, I've been adjusted in advance of a retrieval to better
follow it through. At least that's my interpretation of my guides
adjustments, when they put hands into my head or chest and spin around
me.
If the adjustment has ever given me any physical problem, I don't stop
it. Instead I accept whatever change I have to go through. The problem
has always been temporary and usually disappeared in a day.
At some retrievals I can get tons of physical sensations. Most are
goose bumps, where my hair stands on end physically and I physically
feel waves of energy floods over me. Specially when I finish a retrieval
successfully I get those physical waves of goose bumps.
22. At some times I've went back to the site of the retrieval just to
check that I indeed succeeded with the retrieval. Most of the times
the retrievals are finished, but on one occasion I had missed to
merge with an Aspect who was crippled and immobile.
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MISCELANEOUS
Some more details, with the risk of repeating what I've already said:
My retrievals are done in a sort of 2-D mind's eye vision, like a kind
of interactive remote viewing done from C1, often with me in a state close
to regular dream, where I'm (almost) fully aware of my retrieval actions
as well as of my presence in C1.
The retrieval's Interactive RVing, is a state where I can interact with
the discarnate or the surroundings, like moving objects, untying a rope
of a prisoner, talking to a discarnate and be observed as I go about.
One note about PUL. Sometimes I have to mix other positive feelings with
PUL. I include enthusiasm, happiness, joy, the good feeling of old friends
rejoining and other emotions who intuitively are initiated in me and I send
those emotions to the retrieval person. I also have to use reasoning, perhaps
manipulation, putting ideas forward to the retrieval person, ideas which,
usually are fed into me from an outside source; the Helpers.
The part where the retrieval person is manipulated and tricked into be
retrieved, was questioned in a thread, Old Man Jesiah & Engineer. And
there are two more retrievals of mine White Collar Business Man, Aspects
of Self retrievals (in werewolf form).
I'm under the impression that all retrievals are initiated by Helpers and
Guides. I just have to wait until they have set the scene.
Sometimes I've skipped one or all steps from 1 - 12 above except for
laying down and closing my eyes. With no preparations at all, I've suddenly
entered a retrieval which the Helpers & Guides must have prepared in advance.
I become quite surprised when this happens, as my preparations have been so
poor, but I try to go along with the flow an perform as usual.
I've at one time entered a retrieval when trying to go to sleep.
I've made one retrieval with eyes open while sitting in my bathroom. I
suspect that retrieval had to be done soon as I skipped that retrieval
on the previous occasion as I wanted to sleep.
At the times when I've gotten into a retrieval without having put any intention
in advance, I wonder if my Guides just picked me, because someone needed a
retrieval and I was the most appropriate available at the time? Or perhaps
some of my previously placed intents suddenly had come into effect?
A comment on my "Wait" part; usually it seems to go 1-4 weeks between my
retrievals, and many other things happen in between, and many times my
sessions are completely uneventful, I may not even see any hypnagogics or
hypnopompics (as I sometimes fall asleep) during my sessions. Sometimes
I meet a guide who just takes me to a town and run around with me, perhaps
to see how much I pick up of my surroundings and of his running. Sometimes my
guides do some modifications or adjustments to me which can be interesting
experiences, but the adjustments don't lead to retrievals.
So between retrieval sessions I may have 10-20 rather uneventful sessions
(read: 10-20 days) with absolutely no retrievals at all.
At times when I've realized that a retrieval is starting and I've stopped
actively observing the scene and instead gone with the flow, I can at times
act like I do in a regular dream, not questioning my actions too much. I may
do things which I initially had no intention of, like pushing down a wall or
picking up a thoughtform baby. Some people who do retrievals have said that
one knows intuitively what to do once the retrieval starts. I would say
that to some extent I've lost my own free will and just do whatever is
prepared for me in my role of the retrieval.
Regarding my retrievals which can be found in written form on some forums.
I write them down as soon as I've finished. Because I'm mostly awake in C1,
I also remember most details very well. I also think I'm good at observing
and perceiving details, and good at stating my retrievals in text.
But in order to remember my retrieval actions & emotions, I sometimes pause
in the middle of a retrieval and for a moment memorize exactly what actions
I've taken and what has happened during the retrieval. I actively imprint
events and feelings to keep the story line intact in my mind.
A retrieval is like watching a movie, in which I participate. If my
attempts to imprint the story line in my memory are successful, I'm able
to afterwards describe the whole retrieval in as much detail as I'm able
to describe a movie I've just seen, including emotions and "knowings" I
perceive during the retrieval.
But sometimes my Interpreter looses it and I forget parts of the events.
So what I perceive as events unfolding may be more or less fuzzy. Some part
may be very clear, to the extent that I would recognize the face of the
person if I met that person in C1. Other parts of the retrieval may be more
unclear, like the memory of a dream which flows to your mind. Later I can
force myself to remember things like emotions, "hidden details" or partly
forgotten details, if not too many days have passed. Sometimes I will
not be able to remember some details until the next day.
But clear recall of actions and emotions is quite possible.
Imagine yourself walking to your local shop, putting on your outdoor
jacket, your exit from your apartment, your walk down the stairs, your
walk on the pavement, your view of the surroundings or houses, you pass
people on the way, etc. That's how the scene of my retrievals flow, but
with the difference that I don't have to put any effort into perceiving
anything as it comes to me like the action in a movie, which I'm part of.
Or the retrieval memory can be similar to when you remember a regular dream.
Some parts may be faint, but other parts may be clear and connected. Think
of those parts that are more clear and view them as a continuous movie. That
may be how the retrieval action unfolds when I have a very clear retrieval.
But my retrievals have never been as clear as an LD, as I don't see, I unsee.
I also think that my persistent request for being modified by Helpers and
Guides, to become better at astral activities has helped me improve. For
example, I don't click out as often as I did in the beginning. At the
same time, I don't know where this road takes me.
If I feel I'm being modified by Guides, I just go with the change in as
positive a manner as possible, even if it hurts a little physically
during my session.
I think that anyone can develop their own method for doing retrievals. I
think it helps for me to be open to anything and state that I want to do a
retrieval to eventually get a retrieval going. I then try to keep an innovative
mind.
I avoid trying to make things up. This approach of mine may be a little
different from Moen's, as he suggests people to actively imagine things
or scenes.
Once into a scene I watch it. For example I may turn around a full turn to
get the impression of what's behind me; people, furniture, walls, paintings,
floor, outdoor elements like, bushes & trees. I wait and absorb anything from
my surroundings. I try to sense emotions and absorb "knowledges" like
time period or type of environment - am I in a company or resident building?
I don't fantasies. Instead I wait until a non-visual impression or image
comes into view. Then I start to absorb as much impression of that scene
from all possible senses, including non-physical emotions, as I can. I
collect info, then act on that info.
If in a room, and I see a table, what more can I sense? I wait a few
moments. If nothing comes into my view, I continue moving and make
a contact with the discarnate.
By some reason I don't ask many questions to guides, while the retrieval
unfolds. I rely in the fact that I can perceive things.
I try to seldom reject anything I see. On a few occasions I have "wiped"
the impression from my view for a moment and tried to have it rebuilt again
until I am sure I see the same thing again and again. But I don't reject
something because it seems implausible. I try to stay open and believe in
what I see. Moen mentions this rebuild-procedure in AKG.
Sometimes a scene may be very implausible, and on those rare occasions I
may choose to reject the scene and ask for clarity to have the scene
become improved. I think Ginny has elaborated more on this matter.
Usually I accept most of the scenes I see, with little questioning.
Sometimes I can sense that an individual is a Helper or Guide and not a
retrieval person.
I try to be aware of all senses not familiar from the physical. If I sense
that a building is empty, except for one discarnates, then I assume that
anyone else I meet in the building is a thoughtform.
I can speak to discarnates or call for Helpers. I do that by thoughts.
Sometimes I manage to non-physically shout, but that is also done in
my mind, by thoughts. If I ask questions, the answers come quickly to
me in my own mind, in thoughts.
When anything become awkward, threatening, hostile, fearful, dark or
menacing, or distrustful, I always send PUL. I send lots of PUL if
needed.
Perhaps my unseeing, my non-visual impression and perceiving, to some
part is what is called NVC (Non-verbal communication), but I'm not
sure. And I can only guess with whom I am communicating.
Many times I don't manage to stay simple minded. My mind may be filled
with lots of everydays thoughts. But then, at some point, I see a scene
and the retrieval starts going. A few times I've seen the scene briefly
the day before, and as I think back on the setting, things may start
to unfold. Sometimes there may be a "first part" where I can't interact,
and that first part serves to give me some background info. Then the
"second part" starts and I'm in the middle of the interactive action
with the retrieval person and sometimes thoughtform people. The scene
pushes behaviors into me, into my role, which is constructed by Helpers
to fit the retrieval persons expectations of whom the retrieval person
will meet in the F 23 environment.
Sometimes the second and third retrieval, in the same session, can be
difficult to get rolling. Perhaps because I've used up some kind of
astral energy. I try and try, until I get a clear vision of the scene.
Once the scene or setting is established the action is more stable
through the retrieval.
If I do unexpected things, its probably my guides who have taken
me over for a moment and taken control. I accept losing "free will"
for a moment and do what seems natural. I avoid being too surprised
if I do things I normally wouldn't do, to avoid breaking the scene.
If I don't know what to do, I ask for Helpers to step in. If I'm left
alone I try to figure the situation out.
I have never myself transported the retrieval person to F 27. I've only
been a passenger in a car driven by a Helper who took the retrieval
person to F 27.
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This text may not be without errors and there may be references to persons
not on this forum, but I hope it doesn't matter too much for the overall text.
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