My first OBE exit symptoms experience

[CFTraveler]

Aggree with dreaming90 about the familiar feeling. YOu know this, you have don this many times before. Unlike me, who didnt have that feeling at all when I had my first experience, also racing through a tunnel of static noice ending up in space (the Void). I think I'v done this many times to but never got that familiar feeling.

dreaming90: So your saying that when feeling floaty you may have exited the body already? I have felt floaty many times.. must try what your saying here. Darn!

I'm the one who said it, not just because of the 'floaty feeling' (that does indicate projection has happened, even if it's located 'inside' the body) but because " I floated out, then up a tunnel of light for maybe 3 seconds, and the exit symptoms started full blast. " this indicates a full exit, even if not very far.
And as it's been indicated previously, if you're too close to your physical body, you're more than likely to be blind (because of the feedback from your physical eyes) so you need to get away from it.

[ChadRad]

" I floated out, then up a tunnel of light for maybe 3 seconds, and the exit symptoms started full blast. " this indicates a full exit

No guys, when i " floated out" i was in trance and imagined it as an part of the exit technique, i didnt actually do it.

Thanks for all the great comments guys, im so close! Now i can induce the vibrations but gotta figure out what to do from there. Looking through past threads, i see some mistakes i was making, like using exit techniques before the vibrations; i thought thats how you bring on the vibrational state.

CFTraveler, i saw a comment you made in another thread about sleep paralysis. When entering the trance state, you say you need to enter paralysis before inducing the vibrations because it will make the exit easier? Ive never experienced sleep paralysis before and it sounds like something thats not easy to learn. In MAP, pg 147, Mr Bruce talks about levels of trance and says projection becomes possible from light trance. Rereading that chapter, i dont see anything that states sleep paralysis accompanies full trance. Do i have this all wrong?


Shoot me some tips guys, im off to work and cant wait to get home for another try!

[CFTraveler]

Hi Chad.
First of all, to me, sleep paralysis is not what you want to project- you want full trance. This may include paralysis (or rather, dissociation from the body) but not necessarily. This is not the same as sleep paralysis*.

When you induce a projection you want to get yourself to the point in which your mind is awake and aware, but your body 'doesn't exist'- full dissociation. Yes, you can exit from a light trance, but if you're just starting out, the feedback from body awareness will cause the problems you had indicated before- discomfort and movement; trying an exit technique will cause you to move your body and break the trance, and other things may be distracting. Eventually you can exit while mobile, but I don't recommend it to someone that's starting out.
Now, this may seem contradictory, but try not to think of your body after you're done with the relaxation and breath awareness (or any other exercise you're using to go into trance)- while in that stage of your attempt- it's ok (and actually advisable) to have body awareness, but at a certain point you have to move attention away from your body and into your mind.
I'm not saying 'wait 'til you're numb to try to exit', because that puts you in body awareness- instead I'm saying, when you start to 'lose' it, then it's the time to do an energy body loosening technique, and then move into an observing/listening exercise, looking for cues that are not 'body' oriented before you start any exit technique, active or passive.

Now:

when i " floated out" i was in trance and imagined it as an part of the exit technique, i didnt actually do it.

Instead of using your visual imagination to 'float', I want you to use it as a 'memory' exercise. If you have a pool, recollect what it is to feel like you're floating up from the bottom to the top- it's not a 'seeing yourself somewhere else doing it', it's putting you in first person experience mode- because you want to experience it happening to you. I do think this is better as a 'loosening' exercise than an exit technique, unless you're in deep trance. Then in itself it can get you out.

Another thing I see that always bothers me- everybody seems to assume vibrations always happen or are necessary for the exit. The truth is that vibrations almost always happen to people when they are starting out (at the exit, not to provoke an exit) but some people never feel vibrations, and with some people (like me) they smooth out with experience and almost never happen again. Then they need other cues to know they're 'ready' to exit, such as visuals and noises, but these also are slippery.
So what I say is please be sure you are in a deep enough trance before you try an exit (even an energy body loosening exercise before the exit) and stay in the 'zone' even if you think you're done trying, long enough to make sure it didn't work.

ps. *Sleep paralysis is different than trance dissociation- sleep paralysis happens after you've been sleeping for some time, and are waking up in REM. Sometimes you wake up but your body isn't reactivated, and you see what you were dreaming, but you can't move, and all kinds of unpleasantness can happen. It's a different brainstate than trance, but often confused with each other due to the similarity of the body's unresponsiveness.

[dreaming90]

Now:
Instead of using your visual imagination to 'float', I want you to use it as a 'memory' exercise. If you have a pool, recollect what it is to feel like you're floating up from the bottom to the top- it's not a 'seeing yourself somewhere else doing it', it's putting you in first person experience mode- because you want to experience it happening to you. I do think this is better as a 'loosening' exercise than an exit technique, unless you're in deep trance. Then in itself it can get you out.

That's a good point. Monroe had his first OOBE when thinking about how nice it would be to take the glider out to fly the next day, and up he went.

Some good information on mind awake/body asleep (Focus 10) can be found in Fred Aardema's article here:

http://www.explorations-in-conscious...m/focus10.html

This article more or less assumes that you are using Hemi-Sync to reach Focus 10, but Hemi-Sync is not at all necessary, as you have figured out by using MAP.

[ChadRad]

Well thanks for the help guys. I was really hopeful about this try tonight, but no exit yet. I started the session absolutely exhausted and was in a light trance even as i was starting my breathwork, but thats common for me. I took my trance as deep as i could, spent almost 30 mins on deepening it alone. I skipped all the visualization and just focused on feeling what i was doing, and it really seemed to help. As i was deepening the trance, i could feel a strong dissociation and feel i was far away from myself. Towards the end of my trance work, i had the feeling that id already projected. When i thought this, i did the third eye trigger and absolutely nothing happened. I was completely unable to induce any exit symptoms at all. I was reassured by this and spent nearly 45 mins trying various exit techniques. I spent a lot of time feeling myself float away but nothing happened. I tried feeling myself swim away or roll out and some other loosening techniques with no luck. The whole time i really felt like i was already out but just couldnt see. I couldnt gain sight, couldnt get the feeling my double was even inching away from the physical, anything. All i can say is that for a while i was convinced i was out but then again i may just not understand the difference in that and the feeling of total dissociation from that level of trance. I have been able to induce strong exit symptoms several times per day as well and couldnt do it tonight which was another reason i felt i was already out. I think im just gonna take a break and focus on trance and energy work for a couple of days and try again next week. Maybe i just need a break. I must say that i came out of that one really disheartened bc i thought tonight was the night, and i had some good advice to start with tonight, but oh well. Thanks again yall.

[SiriusTraveler]

Sounds like my trance sessions haha. Although I'm not toally exhausted. Better luck next time!

[CFTraveler]

couldnt get the feeling my double was even inching away from the physical, anything.

You usually feel as if you're drifting, not something else drifting. Anyway, when this happens, don't roll over and go to sleep, get up and walk around. You'd be surprised.

[ChadRad]

Been having some weird dreams the past few nights and my sessions are evolving. Been dreaming of being high up in trees, on ladders, falling, but no flying. Lots of water too, like swimming and splashing. I dreamed i was dreaming, saw fire and energy flying everywhere and then i saw rippling water, reminded me of a portal, or maybe my third eye. Noise too, people shouting at me, actually a lot of shouting from people i know, calling my name and stuff. Weird stuff. Also my trance work is excellent. Inducing very deep trances really quickly and getting exit sensations without energy body loosening or exit techniques. Experienced a new sensation last night. Just deep in trance and observing my ear hiss, felt like a bomb went off all of a sudden and heard an engine revving and got the strangest pulsating whole body waves. Light heart chakra throbbing then the waves just moved down to my feet and stayed there forever. Ive been trying to get out, swim and fly and crawl and float but nothing yet. I know im close, i can feel it! I hate being a newbie, im ready to fly!

[dreaming90]

Been having some weird dreams the past few nights and my sessions are evolving. Been dreaming of being high up in trees, on ladders, falling, but no flying. Lots of water too, like swimming and splashing. I dreamed i was dreaming, saw fire and energy flying everywhere and then i saw rippling water, reminded me of a portal, or maybe my third eye. Noise too, people shouting at me, actually a lot of shouting from people i know, calling my name and stuff. Weird stuff. Also my trance work is excellent. Inducing very deep trances really quickly and getting exit sensations without energy body loosening or exit techniques. Experienced a new sensation last night. Just deep in trance and observing my ear hiss, felt like a bomb went off all of a sudden and heard an engine revving and got the strangest pulsating whole body waves. Light heart chakra throbbing then the waves just moved down to my feet and stayed there forever. Ive been trying to get out, swim and fly and crawl and float but nothing yet. I know im close, i can feel it! I hate being a newbie, im ready to fly!

Sounds like you are experiencing the vibrational state while sleeping, that's a very good sign! Keep up the good work.

[ChadRad]

Sounds like you are experiencing the vibrational state while sleeping, that's a very good sign! Keep up the good work.

Hey thanks! Ya know, i sleep face down, but the past week ive been waking up laying on my back. This coincides with the weird dreams. Whats that all about? I know in MAP Robert says to reprogram yourself to sleep on your back, but i havent even tried. It just started happening on its own. Cant wait for tonights session, hope i get out and about!