PE question on healing an "evil" alien

This post is about Partnered Exploration (PE) in the Bruce Moen style as described in
Moen's fourth book.

PE is not an OBE, but instead the type of "imagination" exercise people learn to do
at TMI during one of the programs. My only personal modification is that I don't use
Hemi-Sync at all for this type of activity, as H-S locks me into a specific Focus Level
and prevents me from moving along a scale of other Focuses.

I have a question. I wonder if there is any interested people, who would participate in
sending healing to an alien? I can't do this by myself by some reason. It has to be
done in a PE group. We have to do PE, Moen style.


I know little, what I know is this.

1. The Target Alien (TA) lives in another physical world, sort of a different Monroe Locale III.
2. The aliens of TA's species look like tall, slim albino creatures with big head, big black eyes, small mouths an noses, no hair.

3. The TA alien in question is physically alive.
4. My impression is that the TA is kept in sleep by its fellow aliens, because the TA is very "evil".

5. The physically living albino aliens are not afraid of this "evil" TA.
6. The I-There of the TA is concerned that no good transition can be made into the afterlife by the TA.

7. There is no hurry as I know of, we probably have several years before the TA makes the transition
from the physical into the nonphysical afterlife.

8. The albino aliens don't have our BST Focuses, meaning that they don't have religious beliefs in our sense,
but they can get stuck in something similar to Focus 23 - 26.

9. In order to help the TA's I-There and the TA itself, we need to be at least 4 persons in a PE who send
healing energy, happiness, PUL, Acceptance and positive energy to the TA. My guide recommended us
to be at least 6 persons, and 4 persons being the lower limit of PE participants.

The albino aliens have no connection with any human I-There, and most likely no connection to
the Monroe "Gathering".

There will be nonphysical albino aliens at the PE and we can step into them as they will function as our "bodies".
I've already done this when I visited their alien town by being inside an alien body, nonphysically.

When I encountered the TA, it scared me, because it looks so evil and has a very "evil"
feeling to it. I sent it some PUL and positive energy, but it wasn't enough or poorly performed.
In its current state the TA is kind of hibernated, but functions on some nonphysical level.

The TA is highly intelligent and may create some terrible problems in the lower Focus Levels
if it dies, possibly to the extent that it can't be retrieved.


I wonder, is there any interest in doing a PE activity with the purpose of sending healing energy to this
"evil" TA?

If I am to any help let me know, I do want to relese who want to become away from "evil"..Please tell me more about how you messure evil, you can PM me if you do not want to write openly, okay...and off course tell more about these "people"

Part of me wants to help and part of me recoils at the mental picture I'm getting. I have no experience in partnered exploration but I'm willing to participate once I have more information.
Like Ia, I'd like to know how the TA's I-there classify evil, and how do they experience emotion, for example?

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Originally Posted by IA56

Please tell me more about how you messure evil ... and off course tell more about these "people"

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I don't measure "evil". I just know this TA alien scares me. Before, when I've
met scary creatures, I've sent PUL or Acceptance or embraced the entity and
that has helped.

I think Moen has measured evil as lack of Love within the being. If a being manages
to close off to love, it will not be effect by any PUL. The paradox is that according to
Moen, at the later stage, before the "evil" being has managed to close off love completely
it is more sensitive to Love as it only contains very small portions of PUL within itself.

Very seldomly a being can cut off Love to others completely, but when it happens, that is bad
and a part of the I-There may be lost (permanently?) according to Moen.
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This one, the TA, has not really been helped by anything from me.

Everything began with a PE which I started at the Moen site, but too few
people joined. At some point the typical "grey alien" appeared, and I just
took the small fellow as a joke from my guides. But next...

Then, on later sessions there appeared aliens in shapes somewhat different from
alien greys. I tried to enter the body of one of these albino aliens as I thought
it perhaps was a lost Aspect of me. And I was taken to a place indoor, a
building on ground or a spaceship, I don't know. There was other neutral
tall albino aliens.

Then on the second or third encounter after I stepped into the albino alien,
I moved for half a minute into some undefined substance and ended up
somewhere. Procedures was done on me, which I thought was strange.

Then I got a machine, the size of a very big shopping cart, which I could
move around. I found out after some time that inside the machine there
was this "evil" alien, it was this TA. It scared the sh!t out of me.

Several things happened. I was taken or helped to a big town of these aliens.
It was quite cool with lots of slim tall buildings. But the aliens on the streets
ignored me, perhaps because I was "dressed" in one of these albino aliens?

Later I tried to reach the TA, touch it nonphysically. I could move inside the
machine, but got no reaction from the TA. so I took this "evil" alien back to Earth,
or rather, to our nonphysical PE place and sent Love, healing, etc, to the TA.

The TA stayed inside the machine-box at all the time during our healing PE.

It made something help, but afterwards when I asked one of my guides, he
wasn't really happy, so my impression is that we need more people to help
the TA, by the group energy.

I think these albino aliens has some kind of religious belief, but not like we
consider religion. I'm also considering that they are better at manipulating
nonphysical energy, but am a little unsure about that, as they at the same
time seem unable to help this "evil" TA. They just contain him inside a huge
metal-box-machine-thingy.

Reagarding the albino aliens emotions:

The albino aliens have much less emotions than humans. At the same time,
compared to humans, the albino aliens generally exhibit much less bad behaviour.
They don't have nearly the same amount of violence, conflicts and war-prone political
leaders as us. Humans are scary creatures to others.

The albino aliens are not as skill at manipulating nonphysical energy as the species
behind the so called "grey aliens".

The albino aliens also have some kind of rudimentary understanding of the I-There
concept, but on a kind of religious base, which make them hibernate the TA in
order to help the TA's I-There to solve the problems with the "evilness" of the
TA while it still is alive in the physical, as it becomes much more difficult to
solve that problem in the nonphysical.

Also, aliens are very different from species to species in my experience.

Besides that I know very little. My guides don't give any understandable
answers on some questions. I've not really been able to directly communicate
with the albino I-There, it all seems to go over my own guides by proxy.

Several months ago I sent a request to do retrieval on an alien, and I got to
do the retrieval of Glass Cat. Then I requested to do a retrieval on an alien
at least as intelligent as a human.

Maybe this is a kind of response?

I don't measure "evil". I just know this TA alien scares me...How does they scare you??

I have come to have to live with evil very near me because of my own child....so I have some experience and I know that should never turn your back on someone who have choosed to push love away, there is many reasons for this...example the regenerative path ....and it is not always we can do anything about this...the outmoust truth is that everything goes around...and NO-one will go lost but it will take long time for some to find to light and love....in duality there has to be these - and + to stabillity....
I´d like you to ask your guide if they have decided to bring this TA-I back to love, and ask also if this task is given to you to withen your awarness, and if it is wise to ask us to help you??
Are you sure it is not a trap?? and if you do get others to share this with you might be to dragg more hostages to them...why I say this is because I have one experience to have bean fooled to do a foolish thing with as I feel some "evil" entities ..they did guide me to a place they couldn´t enter and I risked my life for them.....and I feel this might be a similar thing...
I do not want to say no to you...but I need more information before I say I am with you.....I was saved from this false or danger ...but I was blind in very long time...and after this I was told or given the knowledge about our indestructible core, so I could put the threat of my life out of my life...he did dragg all these negative entities to my life....I did learn a lot...but I am more careful now....
So please tell me how you ended up with these entities??

Are they capable of intense emotional pain? I understand your description of emotional capability vs. the need to express it (which is prob. why they are not as violent or destructive as us, (a different nervous system and a different system of concepts to go with it) but I wonder if their idea of 'evil' is intense emotional pain, which would make sense from the point of view of a being that doesn't know what to do with it, therefore it closes itself off from the 'collective'. Did you get that impression from your contact with it, or was the impression more primal-fear related?

IA56 & CFTraveler, I can't answer all your questions. The TA just gives of an "evil"
presence, I don't know "how" it does that. Can't explain it.

I have no idea if this is a good idea or a bad idea to try to help it. But there seems to
be a need to get group energy, the power of a group.

My visits to this PE area surely has drawn the attention of some other alien species, too.

Have you thougth that they maybe are only making you aware of your fear inside of your self??
I know that we are trained to get to know us selfs too, I will meditate on this and see what comes up, I am though happy about your willingness and love, and also even you feel fear you try to overcome it to help others....this is very nice.

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Originally Posted by IA56

Have you thougth that they maybe are only making you aware of your fear inside of your self?

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I have thought about the possibility that this is just a test from my I-There, but
they have set up a lot of stuff form me in such a case. If my head is not just
playing tricks with me, this is a sort of activity to help a live "evil" alien to
avoid a crappy cross-over and end in a bad afterlife state.

So stricktly being, it's not a retrieval, but rather an activity to aid the TA's I-There,
while there still is time and the TA draws energy from the physical (even if it is
sedated or sleeping by other means), at least if I've got it right.

These albinos have personal relations with each other. I also get the impression that
they view death/afterlife a little different than humans do and they are aware of
some kind of re-birth concept on a more "knowing" level than humans, but part of
it is colored by beliefs too.

CFTRaveler, how much emotional pain do human people feel when they read in the newspaper
that the U.S. military has killed 120 000 Iraqis over 7 years or that the 340 U.S. drone attacks
has massacred 4000 Pakistanis and maimed numerous others in the villages?

How much emotional pain do human Nazi concentration camp constructers or Guantanamo
and Abu Ghriab torturer feel?

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CFTRaveler, how much emotional pain do human people feel when they read in the newspaper
that the U.S. military has killed 120 000 Iraqis over 7 years or that the 340 U.S. drone attacks
has massacred 4000 Pakistanis and maimed numerous others in the villages?

How much emotional pain do human Nazi concentration camp constructers or Guantanamo
and Abu Ghriab torturer feel?

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I'm not sure what you are asking. Just because an individual may be motivated by hate (which is an emotion) doesn't mean they can't feel pain. I'm trying to gauge how damaging it would be for me to try to join in, since I tend to be very affected by others' emotions.

I'm just doing a qualified guessing now, but I think the TA is as evil as Hitler or Pol-Pot were
and the TA is certainly worse than for example the Syria dictator al-Assad.

I have experienced how the collective pain felt what Hitler did put humans for....I will meditate and give my answere if I will join you to help them, okay.

Ok. So I'm in. Tell me what to do.

CFTraveler, I don't know absolutely what to do yet. You are much more skilled at OBEs
than many others. So this Partnered Exploration (PE) has to be done by the TMI "imagination"
method as it is too much to hope that everyone will OBE spontaneously at the same time. :)

First of all we need to get at least 4-6 people to join and that can take some time. I don't think
we are in any hurry as this TA will live physically hibernated for many years to come. Perhaps
within a month or two, if we get enough people to join we can do something. I'm just sketching
now:

Maybe we need to dry-run our PE once first? Something like:

1. Select a date, time of day and a nonphysical "place" to meet.
2. We meet nonphysically, say hello to everyone and build up positive energies.

3. We then ask if there are albino aliens present, step into their bodies and get
a tour of their alien city. We do no attempt to send Love to the "evil" TA at this
time, as it is a dry-run to get everyone to feel what a PE is like.

4. We then gather back at the PE place and just send positive, healing energies to each
other, one person at at time or to friends of the PE participants.

5. Finally we finish the activity and say bye-bye to everyone. The dry-run is over.

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Then the next (second) session we go for the real deal:


A. Select a date, time of day and a nonphysical "place" to meet.
B. We meet nonphysically, say hello to everyone and build up positive energies.

C. If any guides or albinos are there, we greet them and then.. I'm not sure exactly what to do.
D. On my first attempt I stepped into an albino alien, used that alien as my
nonphysical body and moved to another Focus (at least that's what I think I did).
That took about half a minute. Maybe some (all) PE persons should follow me and
we togehter fetch the "evil" alien?

E. Then I was "adjusted" (on a spaceship?) and they gave me the machine-box with the
"evil" aliens inside. So if I get hold of the machine-box, we can all move back to the PE
place with the "evil" alien inside the machine-box.

F. We place the box in the middle of our PE group and in wave after wave we send
this TA being Love, happiness, forgiveness, acceptance, spirtual healing and other
positive energies.

G. When I've done this before, a "fountain" of energy has errupted in the middle of the PE group.
We observe what happens and if anything seems "natural" we do that too. According to
Moen we will work on at least two levels. It's quite possible that some people will
experience almost nothing, but part of their nonphysical self will still act and
participate in the PE activity.

H. Most likely the albino aliens will be present as well. On my first and only attempt
they placed a big saucer/spaceship above the PE site and absorbed all dark energy
which evaporated from the "evil" TA.

J. Somewhere here, we will be done. Either the machine-box will be gone or some
aliens will pick it up or perhaps I can move it back to the aliens.

K. We finish and say bye-bye.
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This is just a sketch and I just make a picture of what happens. Almost none of my
retrievals have been planned in advance, this is the first time I plan at this
detailed level.

As people may be unfamiliar with the TMI "imagination" method, perhaps we shold be
at least 6 persons. I think 4 are too little right now, even if my guides said it could work.

I've put a call on some other forums as well, but they are smaller and I don't know
how much people know about TMI.

I'm open for all ideas.

is it safe disturbing the TA's hibernetic stasis? i mean it isn't without good reason that it was enveloped in suspended animation ,
energy fields imo have different ways of reacting with each other (regardless the nobility of intent ) so as to render the outcomes variable.
Perhaps more exchange of communication with the albinos for a better grasp on the situation could also be added in casing the joint ?

If you can tell the time what it will be in Sweden when you do your session, I will be superintenting if you will let me, and booster your group, I am sure I do more good that way. It is up to you if you can accept this.

Very seldomly a being can cut off Love to others completely, but when it happens, that is bad
and a part of the I-There may be lost (permanently?) according to Moen.

I did react to this ...yes to loose permanently part of the I-There, in some cases it´s a must too, I know I have lost a part in me, and first I thought it to be bad, but it was nessessary for me to embrace LOVE totally.
I know this is painful to hear, maybe the whole group if I-There has to develop through this experience to let go of the one in the maschine for the whole group to develop further. This come up in my meditation, this was the key issue about my own child. I would never have dared to stay (and then let go of him, because of respect for his own will) if it was not my own child, and this situation is the same for this group (maybe they must let him stay in the maschine and never stop sending love to him), maybe you are send to learn them this, there is for all of us a superior existence...All will come there eventually.
The saying....Being a mad for GOD or existence, all this come up in my meditation.

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Originally Posted by IA56

If you can tell the time what it will be in Sweden when you do your session, I will be superintenting if you will let me, and booster your group, I am sure I do more good that way. It is up to you if you can accept this.

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I'm happy with that and will discuss a time which suits everyone, if we get a
PE group together. :)

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Originally Posted by IA56

I did react to this ...yes to loose permanently part of the I-There, in some cases it´s a must too, I know I have lost a part in me, and first I thought it to be bad, but it was nessessary for me to embrace LOVE totally.

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Aspects of Self, which we lose in this life can usually be picked up at other times
by our selves or by our I-There, so I believe that's seldom a problem.

If I quote myself and add some more comments:

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Originally Posted by PauliEffect

I think Moen has measured evil as lack of Love within the being. If a being manages
to close off to love, it will not be effect by any PUL. The paradox is that according to
Moen, at the later stage, before the "evil" being has managed to close off love completely
it is more sensitive to Love as it only contains very small portions of PUL within itself.

Very seldomly a being can cut off Love to others completely, but when it happens, that is bad
and a part of the I-There may be lost (permanently?) according to Moen.

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Entities who have poor PUL ability will most likely get stuck for a long time in the
lower BST Focuses, often in so called Hells (Most often Focus 24, Focus 25).

I've encountered one very "evil" creature in Focus 23 who was so strange that
the person probably didn't fit into any of the regular BST Focuses. I sent PUL
to this person over several minutes and the person just moved within Focus 23,
but to a less painful place. So retrievals don't always have to move people
to Focus 27 or even up to the "next" Focus. It can be enough to help move that
person to just a more comfortable place within the same Focus Level.
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This alien, the TA, is still alive so here things are a little different. We don't know
exactly how the TA's physical Locale III surroundings work, and they could be closer
to the nonphysical than our Earth.

It could be possible that the TA is on the brink of losing PUL ability to the degree
that it no longer is affected by Love from others.

But when such an "evil" creature manages to feel Love from others, it hurts so much more
because it's more sensitive to PUL, and the TA realizes what it has done to others. But the
amount of PUL probably has to be of a certain quality, so the TA just can't reject it.

And this kind of collides with "free will" if such a thing exists, but at the same time
I think it's a bad idea if this TA becomes reborn, twice as intelligent as Einstein and as
bad as any of humanity's worst historical dictators.

The healing is not done on a physical level, I don't really intend to heal any physical
illnesses in the TA (but that could of course be a side effect).

Instead my idea is to send PUL as a group of people in a PE setting to raise the TA's
ability to receive PUL and thus prevent it from dropping below a certain critical level,
where the TA is lost for its I-There.

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Originally Posted by DarkChylde

is it safe disturbing the TA's hibernetic stasis? i mean it isn't without good reason that it was enveloped in suspended animation ,
energy fields imo have different ways of reacting with each other (regardless the nobility of intent ) so as to render the outcomes variable.
Perhaps more exchange of communication with the albinos for a better grasp on the situation could also be added in casing the joint ?

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As Buhlman has said: "There is nothing to be afraid of out there. We live in a fear based society."

I can't know if he is right. But what if you are wrong, DarkChylde? What if this
"evil" TA already has planned to be reborn on Earth in its next life? We know
little of how close the TA's Locale III is to the nonphysical world, and the TA may
have much better abilities to manipulate the nonphysical than any human has.

Isn't it much saner to act now, when there still is time to do anything fruitful?

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Originally Posted by PauliEffect

I But what if you are wrong, DarkChylde? What if this
"evil" TA already has planned to be reborn on Earth in its next life?

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hunh?:whatthe:
why'd you think i'd know? .

What happens to those parts what is lost forever??

Or...

To me without those parts??

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Originally Posted by IA56

What happens to those parts what is lost forever??

Or...

To me without those parts??

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What happens to parts lost "forever", I don't know. According to Moen
some of these rare parts move off, leave the Earth Life System (ELS),
as there is no more place for them here.

The "forever" is placed in quotes as Moen also got the impression that
those part could re-join with their I-Theres, but that it would take a
very long time (if ever) to do so, as the lost parts are hard to find
again in the nonphysical.

I don't know what happens to us without all our "parts", but in Monroe's
Ultimate Journey on page 41, a woman of his I-There said that they
wouldn't want to leave without all their parts:

"Why would you leave anyone behind? Would you leave your hand, or even your finger?"


On page 205, Monroe meets Miranon, a spirit from another I-There, who has
search for all his parts and found most of them.

Throughout Ultimate Journey retrievals are mentioned a lot, so it's apparently
very important to the I-There to find all its parts. If that's equally important
to you, I have no clue. :)

WoW...this is very intersting, you gave me one of my lost keys...:-)
I start now to understand why I have felt...if not ALL can join/go on...then I wount eighder....off course not...I will not leave any part of me behind...wow....Now I know how to focus, thanks

I want to add here, one of my parts come in a dream not so many days...as a small child....and I took her with me and I was so exhausted after this dream and it has continued the drained feeling, but this night I had a dream where my boy friend asked if I am going to ask a doctor about my tiredness, yes I said...but this morning when I meditated and asked....how can I recognize a lost part when I meet it.....then I was showed the little child from this dream...so now I will start to look over my dreams again, re-read them and go back and see if I have met more fragments of my lost parts...thank you again for re-awakening me to this knowing what was just infront of my eyes but I did not understand and see it.

Hi Pauli,

I've done Moen-style imagination exercises on and off for about two years now, so I would be willing to help. I have a few questions...

- Is TA capable of OBEing or any other means of navigating other dimensions, such as this one? I don't particularly want him showing up on my doorstep if this backfires. Also, my son is autistic and tunes into other dimensions fairly regularly.

- Has TA's I/There attempted any sort of contact or rescue?

- What exactly is the plan for the PE? Send PUL?

I will try to remote view TA later today and see if I can hone in on him.

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- Is TA capable of OBEing or any other means of navigating other dimensions, such as this one? I don't particularly want him showing up on my doorstep if this backfires.

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I think the whole species of these albino aliens are more into nonphysical activity than we are.
If any of them shows up at our backdoor I can't tell.

Maybe the TA already is preparing to reincarnate on our planet? I don't know really.

I recently asked if there was any deadline to do a PE attempt and then saw the number 2012,
which I took as our current year.

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Originally Posted by dreaming90

- Has TA's I/There attempted any sort of contact or rescue?

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I don't know but guess so. Remember, I can't communicate directly with any of the
albino aliens. They can show me things and allow me to step into their (nonphysical?)
bodies, but all communication is through my own guides.

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Originally Posted by dreaming90

- What exactly is the plan for the PE? Send PUL?

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I don't know. As I said before, I almost never plan my retrievals in advance. But yes,
sending PUL, Acceptance, Happiness, Forgiveness and other positive thoughts is what
I get as an impression that we should do as a group.

If we are taken for a ride or expected to do other things, I have no clue.

If you want to see anything of these albinos, perhaps you could request a guide to
help you visit the nonphysical place I call Vicky's Garden. Sometimes one or more
aliens have been there when I visited. All of them are not albinos aliens. There have
been other species too, very different ones, but all have 2 legs, 2 arms, 1 head.

You can view a simple picture of what the nonphysical PE area looks like below.
The picture is not to scale, and the surroundings may also change on each new
visit. There may for example appear garden fencing to surround the PE region.

Most of the areas in white shall be viewed as lawns, grass lands or bush regions,
except for the interiors of the heavily framed buildings and the park pathways.


The item marked "House" is surrounded by a high dark green hedge and inside
the hedge one version of Vicky's Garden resides. The red dot is where I've met
most of the albino aliens in Vicky's Garden, and where a few PE sessions have
been done.

The other areas with a yellowish center (symbolizing the energy fountain), are PE
areas on sessions with more participants.

On sessions with more people the thick high hedge is gone and replaced by a
much lower and not so continuously kept hedge, which is marked "low hedge"
in the picture. At times the low hedge can be completely gone and replaced
by the park surroundings.

The dashed black lines at the lower right part of the picture mark that there is
a hill at that area and behind the hill, the two alien greys were first seen by me,
one which I named A Edvin.

The waltz ballroom shall not be viewed as part of the setting, but rather
as a place we temporarily can move to, to start the energy flow going.
For example by dancing in the PE circle.

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/6808/vsgarden02800.jpg

Hi Pauli,

I took a look at TA yesterday. From what I could gather, he was put into a catatonic state by his peers because they aren't sure what to do with him. I got the impression that the death penalty had long since been abolished and that TA's level of "evil" was unheard of in the albino society.

TA also had these frozen red eyes that gave me goosebumps and scared the hell out of me. I also saw him holding what looked like a lolipop-- could this mean TA is a child???? Definitely not a pleasant entity.

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I took a look at TA yesterday. From what I could gather, he was put into a catatonic state by his peers because they aren't sure what to do with him. I got the impression that the death penalty had long since been abolished and that TA's level of "evil" was unheard of in the albino society.

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I've gotten similar impressions and been thinking something along those lines too.

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TA also had these frozen red eyes that gave me goosebumps and scared the hell out of me. I also saw him holding what looked like a lolipop-- could this mean TA is a child???? Definitely not a pleasant entity.

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I don't know if it's an adult or child in its present form, but it's very unpleasant, yes.

Did you get any more feelings related to the lolipop? It could mean a lot more than
just being a child. Maybe it views its next incarnation (on Earth?) as a mere lolipop?

Or could the lolipop be a kind of treat, a sweet which makes the TA more cooperative
in its present state within Focus 22?