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Thread: Everything perceived in the OBE is projection or not

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    Re: Everything perceived in the OBE is projection or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Antares View Post
    But I would treat the LD, clairvoyance, ESP and OBE as very close experiences
    And one more thing: the opposite to projection (as a synonym to a sort of illusion in the common sense) is clarity. This is key question here.

    On the Tree of Life Yesod reperesents the realm of illusions and dim consciousness - often depicted as reflections; when the consciousness travels through higher planes than this one, planes are more and more clear. The opposition to Yesod (and Malkuth) is Kether, the full consciousness, in the Tree of Life. When one becomes conscious, one is able to control the projections, illusions, and the reality. I think that it doesn't happen "suddenly", it's not any sort of enlightment (whatever enlightment is in fact) or anything - it is simply making mind clearer; clearer mind means clearer and wider, more expansive perception - as opposed to the physical and 'ghosty' perception of lower realms of Malkuth and Yesod.

    The goal of clairvoyance and similar abilities, therefore, is to come from the point of Malkuth (physical senses) and Yesod (etheric projections) higher, so that mind became clearer - and thus one can perceive what is beyond the closest 'environment', like touch or physical sight. ESP researchers often call it 'remote view', but IMO it is just one of many effects of such 'development' - going from the 'bottom' level to the 'top' level. (Although this linear approach could be misleading here - I put it simply to have any reference for lack of better reference points, and the Tree of Life seems to be handy).

    This does not explain everything: perception (seeing your projections) is an opposition to creation (creating your projections), but when on percieves he or she also creates, and vice versa - in his or her mind - and this leads again to the question of what is projection.

    My experiences with such abilities tell it is not that simple to distinguish both. Furthemore, there is often unwritten assumption that if you experience in the OBE state something that something 'should' have a reference in the physical as a confirmation that it is not your own 'imagination' or projection.

    In short, I think we need a better key to research the ASC states.
    Last edited by Antares; 3rd July 2022 at 08:43 AM.

    Be objective, research the reality and don't assume things just because of experts


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